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Matthew 19:4-5

Posted on: January 10, 2025 at 10:03:15 CT
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He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
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For alleged Christians - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 08:18:49
     You agree with something Carter said? Thanks for sharing(nm) - Outsider MU - 1/10 10:21:48
     RE: For alleged Christians - Spanky KU - 1/10 09:45:16
          Cherry picking verses out of context.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:01:46
               Be honest with yourself Matt....do you think Jesus would - Logan STL - 1/10 10:29:16
                    Yes. I’m not interested in theological baggage that ignores - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:03:27
                         So you think he would defend what you're saying or - Logan STL - 1/10 11:26:16
                              I’m saying the standard arguments used by many - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 12:14:06
                                   I disagree about a weak foundation but our business - Logan STL - 1/10 12:41:21
                                        I have problems saying homosexuality is outright condemned - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 13:04:11
                         RE: Yes. I’m not interested in theological baggage that ignores - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 11:08:48
               yup, it's kinda like saying Sodom was destroyed for - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:08:32
                    RE: yup, it's kinda like saying Sodom was destroyed for - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 10:22:48
                    Judges 19. It wasn’t about homosexuality. The same - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:11:15
                         RE: Judges 19. It wasn’t about homosexuality. The same - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 10:43:52
                         The story of Sodom is in Genesis - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:21:52
                              Good lord you are dense.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:24:05
                                   The topic of Sodom is not in Judges - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:29:13
                                        It’s the exact same story.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:31:44
                                             Lot offered to allow the men to rape his daughters - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:33:49
                                                  the teaching point is that God's wrath is poured out against - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:47:12
                                                       Was it ungodly for Lot to then impregnate both his daughters - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:49:24
                                                            yes it was. - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:55:22
                                                                 Where does Genesis describe the act as ungodly?(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:57:37
                                                                      It doesn’t. So get drunk and bang your daughter then tell - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:07:09
                                                                           The topic is what the Bible says... not what the laws of - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:19:06
                                                                                The problem is you aren’t going by what the Bible says. You - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:20:16
                                                                                     YOU are the one not going by what the Bible says - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:22:53
                                                                                          Dude. Genesis 18, God has already cast judgment on Sodom. - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:29:49
                                                                                               What was the "grievous sin" in Genesis 18? - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:55:17
                                                                                                    You are a functional illiterate. Genesis 18 doesn’t say. So - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:59:05
                                                                                                         what was the "grievous sin" in Genesis 18?(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/10 12:22:53
                                                                                                              The text doesn’t say. It also doesn’t say there was just - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 12:39:49
                                                                                                                   Genesis 19 says homosexuality and yes... it says "sin" - Spanky KU - 1/10 12:44:20
                                                                                                                        So was a “sin offering” on the Day of Atonement just - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 12:57:59
                                                                                                                             context.. Genesis said "grievous sin" .... not "sins" - Spanky KU - 1/10 13:28:08
                                                                                               they also said they were sent to destroy it - well before - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:34:25
                                                                      are you arguing that incest is ok b/c of silence in - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:05:59
                                                                           are you arguing that homosexuality is ok because Genesis - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:13:32
                                                                                No. You are dense. I am saying the destruction of Sodom was - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:17:40
                                                                                     And yet Genesis 19 uses homsexuality as the reason - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:20:03
                                                                                          it does not. It was full of sin and wickedness. - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:33:21
                                                                                          No. It doesn’t. You are ripping it out of context. (nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:21:02
                                                                                               Nope.. that's your heathen schtick - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:23:54
                                                                                no. - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:16:02
                                                            Of course. The Biblical texts don’t portray God as - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:55:06
                                                                 But God destroyed the inhabitants of Sodom - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:59:42
                                                                      No. He passed judgment on them already. Read Genesis 18 - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:00:58
                                                                           False! Genesis 18: 20-21 - Spanky KU - 1/10 12:47:51
                                                                                Man you really struggle with reading comprehension. Do you - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 13:34:48
                                                                                     What words in Genesis 18: 20-21 confused you? - Spanky KU - 1/10 13:59:33
                                                                                          Follow the story, not your flawed interpretation. - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 14:40:11
                                                                                               God says he is going to Sodom to see REASON for the outcry. - Spanky KU - 1/10 15:02:07
                                                                                                    I can’t help you. You are horrible at reading comprehension. - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 15:54:48
                                                                                                         Which words confuse you: " I will go down and see if what - Spanky KU - 1/10 16:02:44
                                                  Lot’s daughters were engaged. They belonged to other men. - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:40:17
                                                       and yet Sodom would not have been destroyed had the - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:48:04
                                                            The text never says that. These events are after Abraham - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:57:07
                                                                 The text never says that Lot was punished for impregnating - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:58:52
                                                                      was Laban punished for lying to Jacob? - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:12:02
                                                                      So? Lot disappears from the story. It says nothing period - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:02:14
                                                                           The story of Sodom is about homosexuality.. not rape - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:21:40
                                                                                so it was ok if they raped his daughters?(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:34:49
                                                                                     it appears that would have spared Sodom from destruction - Spanky KU - 1/10 13:56:39
                                                                                          Sodom wasn’t the only city destroyed. The entire point was - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 15:59:56
                                                            that's not true. - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:56:34
                                                                 Which is why the text doesn’t support those who claim Sodom - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:00:11
                                                                      it says they were evil and wicked. The only sins mentioned - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:07:56
                                                                           Right. But some want to fill in the blanks with a big gay - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:26:33
                         Yes. Rape is bad. Thanks for confirming(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:12:59
                              Raping a woman that belongs to another man. If she’s - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:19:07
                                   do you think that's a good rule for Christians today?(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:19:43
                                        Of course not. But Biblical marriages aren’t good for anyone - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:23:24
                                             what do you mean by "biblical marriage"? - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:26:06
                                                  Yes. Jewish marriage. But Jewish marriage wasn’t unique to - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:31:21
                                                       When I talk about Biblical marriage, I'm speaking of - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:42:46
                                                            That still is theological baggage. Paul was using human - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:50:48
                                                                 bingo(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 11:12:28
               nope - FootballRefugee MU - 1/10 10:05:08
                    Yep. Using Matthew was particularly stupid.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:07:17
                         While Matthew 19 was on the topic of divorce, it was clear - Spanky KU - 1/10 11:25:30
                         The Matthew verse was out of context but to deny - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:12:18
                              That is reading way too much into it. You aren’t a - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:17:16
                                   I didn't say it was literal. Marriage is the sign of the - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:19:15
                                        Yet Paul counseled single followers of Christ to not marry. - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:21:32
                                             it is related - b/c it was the sign. - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:28:35
                                                  That’s still a stretch considering having multiple wives was - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:43:09
                                                       yes it's christ and his bride. I'm not catholic(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 1/10 10:48:00
                         you're revealing a lot here - FootballRefugee MU - 1/10 10:08:27
               Not out of context(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:03:48
                    Very much so. But it’s all about dogma for you.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:05:26
                         What is the context of 1 Corinthians 6:9 that is missing? - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:27:25
                              Paul was using an argument of nature. Homosexual sex - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:55:32
                                   No... Paul was making an argument about homosexuality(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/10 15:05:33
                         ironic - FootballRefugee MU - 1/10 10:05:53
     Yeah, Prophet Jimmy Carter - AWOLTiger KC - 1/10 09:28:25
          Yeah, False Prophet Jimmy Carter.............nm - tigertix MU - 1/10 09:53:08
     "Go and sin no more" upholding the truth of marriage between - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/10 09:17:34
          marriage is between or among whomever (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 09:25:06
               Not in the Bible(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/10 09:51:03
                    i’m talking reality not mythology (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 10:11:22
                         But the thread is about religion. - GODZILLA MU - 1/10 10:12:57
                              i can’t account for your stupidity (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 10:27:46
                                   I know pickle. It is always everyone else except you - GODZILLA MU - 1/10 10:38:24
                                        not always - pickle MU - 1/10 11:06:32
                    Of course not. The Bible is limited by context and time. Gay - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 09:59:50
                         Matthew 19:4-5 - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:03:15
                              Keep showing how ignorant you are. The Bible also says - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:05:01
                                   and multiple wives is not against the laws of God - Spanky KU - 1/10 10:43:21
                                        This is why the Bible cannot be used as a book of - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 11:38:11
                                             and then Jesus came to earth and the message of - Spanky KU - 1/10 14:34:01
                                                  You’re dipping into Gnosticism now. The message never - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 14:42:20
                                                       The message changed from a vengeful God to a forgiving - Spanky KU - 1/10 15:43:27
     OK--so you are gay - mu7176grad MU - 1/10 09:04:36
     This denies the concept of the Trinity - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/10 09:03:13
          RE: This denies the concept of the Trinity - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 09:18:46
               RE: This denies the concept of the Trinity - War Horse MU - 1/10 09:39:49
                    all scripture is written by humans thoursands of years ago - Seagull MU - 1/10 09:43:24
                         “God-breathed” or theopneustos was a term used to describe - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 09:58:29
     Anyone suprised Ras has thoughts about homosexuality? - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/10 08:59:07
          Explains why those white supremacists were going after him.. - BandG MU - 1/10 09:17:26
               Holding up a noose and screaming "this is MAGA country". (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/10 09:51:18
     So you are using Tigerboard to come out? Congrats. Nm - BandG MU - 1/10 08:55:45
     someone else telling you what to think (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 08:51:13
          It’s all spelled out in the movie Chinatown - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 1/10 08:58:26
     RE: For alleged Christians - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 08:47:00
          You seem to paint homosexuality there as a sin - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 08:52:23
               RE: You seem to paint homosexuality there as a sin - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 10:08:36
               So you reject Jesus as your savior correct? - Logan STL - 1/10 09:02:17
                    there is no evidence jesus existed - pickle MU - 1/10 09:23:53
                         I choose not to believe you. Like in most things. (nm) - Logan STL - 1/10 10:02:36
                              i know. you’re an emotional baby - pickle MU - 1/10 10:12:09
                                   Lol...no emotion here but you do you. (nm) - Logan STL - 1/10 10:15:08
                                        no, that was a purely emotional reaction - pickle MU - 1/10 10:27:08
                                             No.(nm) - Logan STL - 1/10 10:30:30
                                                  yes (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 11:06:02
               Are you suggesting that homosexuals can - GODZILLA MU - 1/10 08:56:40
                    Yes. Homosexuals have been having children since humanity - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 08:58:32
                    A man who is a homosexual, screws a woman, creates a baby - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 08:58:20
     RE: For alleged Christians - hangman MU - 1/10 08:40:30
     Carter was a liberal democrat politician and his statements - BH O'bonga MU - 1/10 08:30:31
          Carter was a Sunday School teacher for more that 70 years - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 08:57:13
          RE: Carter was a liberal democrat politician and his statements - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 08:35:35
               RE: Carter, You really shouldn't comment: - BH O'bonga MU - 1/10 08:43:30
                    ROFLMFAO. Guy was a peanut farmer from the deep south - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 09:01:02
                         RE: peanut farmer: So you read the thumbnail sketch put - BH O'bonga MU - 1/10 09:31:19
               Its a message board. - GODZILLA MU - 1/10 08:41:34
          Carter had “imagine” sung at his funeral - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/10 08:31:31
               Not a close-minded one, that is for sure - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 09:02:32
               That was unbelievable - El Zorro MU - 1/10 08:33:19
                    Based on YOUR interpretation of Heaven, so what - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 09:03:22
               by two liberal country singers - Bosalphus KC - 1/10 08:33:17
               RE: Carter had “imagine” sung at his funeral: Power corrupts - BH O'bonga MU - 1/10 08:32:21
     I wouldn't depend on Carter for my salvation... - Logan STL - 1/10 08:29:28
          Two comments in the Torah? Jesus's followers claimed, - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 09:05:59
               No. There were actually disputes in Acts and in Paul’s - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 09:25:04
               you are ignorant - FootballRefugee MU - 1/10 09:20:16
                    Matthew 5, Jesus is speaking to a Jewish audience. Pay - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 09:27:06
                         no $hit - FootballRefugee MU - 1/10 09:32:06
                              There is no separation of civil and moral law. That is a - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 09:33:22
                                   I can agree they are both - FootballRefugee MU - 1/10 10:01:37
          Yet nothing on two women in the Mosaic Law. It skips - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 08:32:15
               Not everything that was said was written down... - Logan STL - 1/10 08:37:48
                    None of it was written down for nearly 50 years and there - raskolnikov MU - 1/10 09:08:01
                         Yet what has been written has lasted through the ages... - Logan STL - 1/10 09:24:12
                              Most Biblical scholars wouldn’t say God had a hand in - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 09:28:16
                                   Well...there you go. Biblical scholars are not infallible. (nm) - Logan STL - 1/10 10:01:21
                                        Nor are theologians who take baggage created by other - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 10:03:09
                                             I choose to believe what I read in the bible... - Logan STL - 1/10 10:06:24
                    RE: Not everything that was said was written down... - BH O'bonga MU - 1/10 08:45:42
                    Jesus wouldn’t have went against the Mosaic Law. But two - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 08:42:01
                         So are you saying he would be okay with it? - Logan STL - 1/10 08:44:53
                              It wasn’t even considered sex. The concept of sex required - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 08:55:11
                                   That didn't answer my question. (nm) - Logan STL - 1/10 09:03:47
                                        It wasn’t against the Mosaic Law. There is no reason - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 09:19:06
                                             My question now is what do you think Jesus - Logan STL - 1/10 09:38:17
                                                  RE: My question now is what do you think Jesus - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 14:38:30
     No, it wasn’t. The concept of homosexuality is actually - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 08:25:23
          RE: No, it wasn’t. The concept of homosexuality is actually - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 15:17:44
          RE: No, it wasn’t. The concept of homosexuality is actually - sarasotatiger MU - 1/10 08:34:50
               Those were early trannies who often cut off their balls and - TigerMatt KC - 1/10 08:40:32
     nobody cares that you're a gay man - Seagull MU - 1/10 08:23:36
     I’m sure you often think about it - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/10 08:23:28
          As well as in Romans in the New Testament - El Zorro MU - 1/10 08:32:37




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