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I’m trying to understand your point of view

Posted on: June 13, 2024 at 13:49:55 CT
haeffb MU
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So I ask questions to clarify.

Do you agree with 90 that the Constitution protects us from infringement of certain of our rights by the Federal Government?

And, if so, should that protection vary from State to State?

Further, should individual States be able to infringe upon those rights if the Federal Government cannot?
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What SCOTUS Justices are supposed to do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 10:08:15
     False. That is not a constitutional role of SCOTUS - pickle MU - 6/13 10:10:32
          Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/13 11:36:38
          Federalist No. 78 says that the federal courts have the - Spanky KU - 6/13 10:27:53
               That is great. But it isn’t in the Constitution. (nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 12:11:10
                    That was not pickle's contention earlier - Spanky KU - 6/13 12:13:14
                         It is not. - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 12:21:22
                              He said to look at Federalist to understand what the Framers - Spanky KU - 6/13 12:30:53
                                   Yes.. of things actually in the constitution. If it is not - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 12:33:45
                                        Read the thread where pickle made the Federalist comment - Spanky KU - 6/13 13:08:00
                                             no i didn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 13:19:30
                                                  Yep.. you did - Spanky KU - 6/13 13:30:38
                                                       “about something he said was not in the Constitution.” - pickle MU - 6/13 13:44:12
                                                            What clause is that in the Constitution?(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/13 14:19:19
                                                                 The federal government was created by the states. It did not - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 14:44:38
                                                                      It was created by the People.... "We the People" - Spanky KU - 6/13 17:01:43
                                                                      What clause? - Spanky KU - 6/13 14:59:00
                                                       Yes. The federal government is a creation of the states. (nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 13:37:57
                                                            The constitution is a compact between the PEOPLE and the - Spanky KU - 6/13 16:31:11
               oh dear (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 10:44:14
                    oh dear! Now you don't like the Federalist Papers? - Spanky KU - 6/13 10:56:19
          Who, then, should interpret? (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/13 10:14:35
               states, citizens - MvM was a power grab/shift for federal - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:42:37
               Natural law. Duh. It's not polite to ask the idiot - hokie VT - 6/13 10:21:36
                    There is a contingent here who claim a law has not been - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 10:26:28
                         lol, you have severe comprehension issues if you think - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:43:02
                              When people have been charged with a crime - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 11:53:43
                                   that pickle is arguing that crime should be defined as - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:58:19
                                        Whoops. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 12:12:55
                                        People don't say it shouldn't be a crime - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 12:01:05
                                             it's awesome when you don't read, understand, or - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 12:49:59
                                             you are equating and switching crime with law - pickle MU - 6/13 12:06:03
                                   a crime was not committed =/= a law wasn’t broken - pickle MU - 6/13 11:57:04
                                        and has arrogance blocking his ability to even try to - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:58:53
                                             yep. - pickle MU - 6/13 12:06:44
                                             I both understand what people are trying to say - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 12:02:14
                                                  i can assure you, you don't (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 12:38:36
                                                  another lie (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 12:07:00
                         The Idiot and his elves are sovereign citizens. They can - hokie VT - 6/13 11:00:37
                              Everyone chooses which laws they obey and which laws they - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 12:27:03
                              One is best left ignored - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 11:02:40
                         no one has ever claimed that (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 10:29:13
                         How is that any different than discretion?(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/13 10:28:11
                              Because law enforcement is granted that discretion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 10:33:06
                                   so only law enforcement? - meatiger MU - 6/13 10:41:15
                                        oops, read below - meatiger MU - 6/13 10:42:27
                                   By whom?(nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 10:34:46
                                        Those selected rightfully to oversee the system - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 10:37:50
                                             So you have cops down in Wayne County, MO that - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 10:43:08
                                                  I have always referenced rightful discretion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 10:50:01
                                                       Who determines rightful discretion?(nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 12:23:43
                                                       your eyes are brown (where the white should be) (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:43:43
                                                       "rightful discretion" - meatiger MU - 6/13 10:51:54
                                                            he is - pickle MU - 6/13 10:55:51
                                                            No, I am not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 10:55:40
                                                                 It is full of bias - meatiger MU - 6/13 10:58:12
                                                                      Correct - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 10:59:52
                                                                           and that law can be used against you - meatiger MU - 6/13 11:03:00
                                                                                I am not in favor of jaywalking laws - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/13 11:04:16
                                                                                     lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/13 11:07:33
                                             lol, DH (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 10:42:49
                              lol - pickle MU - 6/13 10:29:54
               the states and the people - pickle MU - 6/13 10:18:29
                    50 different interpretations? - haeffb MU - 6/13 10:37:14
                         yes (gasp!) god forbid states being different in a Republic - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:44:58
                              Federal Government can’t infringe upon those rights. - haeffb MU - 6/13 14:04:23
                         sure (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 10:43:10
                              Your Constitutional rights change - haeffb MU - 6/13 11:02:36
                                   gvmt doesn't grant rights (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:45:34
                                        What does the Constitution provide? (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/13 11:51:29
                                             the BoR states that there are certain inherent rights of - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 12:40:48
                                                  Got it. Thanks. - haeffb MU - 6/13 16:05:17
                                             Supposedly limitations to federal government (nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 6/13 12:24:34
                                                  And those limitations should be different - haeffb MU - 6/13 12:38:06
                                                       haeff, the US constitution defines a limited list of federal - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 12:44:23
                                                            I’m trying to wrap my head around the concept - haeffb MU - 6/13 14:00:43
                                                                 Why “interpret”? It’s a pretty clear document - pickle MU - 6/13 14:13:45
                                                                      Because you and I may disagree - haeffb MU - 6/13 14:20:57
                                                                           The second amendment doesn’t apply to the states (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 15:15:11
                                                                                Thanks. That’s a perfect example - haeffb MU - 6/13 15:37:13
                                                                                     it’s not - pickle MU - 6/13 16:13:55
                                                                                          I didn’t say they were. - haeffb MU - 6/13 16:31:57
                                                       the limitations of the BoR restrict the federal government - - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 12:41:38
                                                       Straw man - pickle MU - 6/13 12:41:15
                                                            I’m trying to understand your point of view - haeffb MU - 6/13 13:49:55
                                                                 it is "supposed to" protect us from infringements by - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 15:13:51
                                   what? (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 11:24:46
                    The Supremacy Clause trumps state nullification(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/13 10:25:52
                         maybe in the Crapland we've devolved to, but not - 90Tiger STL - 6/13 11:46:01
                         it does not (nm) - pickle MU - 6/13 10:29:41




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