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RE: Right. I don't see why people can't understand this.

Posted on: February 14, 2024 at 14:24:18 CT
Frank Poncherello MU
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I understand it fine. Not all recruits are created equal. What I'm saying is they aren't going to be good enough to accomplish what will be required. Or, used in a way that will lead to positive results as quickly as will be needed to re-establish momentum. Everything he accomplished in year one is gone. There is no way around this. He is back at square one to start next year. And, depending on how the rest of this year plays out (and which of those 5 actually make it to campus) he might be starting from a negative position. The hole being dug is only getting deeper.
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At the risk of being one of the few sane people in the room, - Chievous'Bandaid MU - 2/13 09:46:06
     I support Gates and staff…growing pains is all this is! MIZ - Turn2 MU - 2/14 08:20:52
     RE: At the risk of being one of the few sane people in the room, - Frank Poncherello MU - 2/13 19:33:47
          4 of the 5 freshmen in 2024 are considered - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 19:53:33
               Right. I don't see why people can't understand this. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 2/14 06:52:25
                    RE: Right. I don't see why people can't understand this. - Frank Poncherello MU - 2/14 14:24:18
                         No one is expecting the freshmen to come in and - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/14 14:28:25
                              RE: No one is expecting the freshmen to come in and - Frank Poncherello MU - 2/14 19:44:12
                                   It won’t be what is required. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/14 19:48:06
                                        RE: It won’t be what is required. (nm) - Frank Poncherello MU - 2/14 19:51:16
                                             RE: It won’t be what is required. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/14 20:12:08
     If Grill, Tonje, East and Brown were healthy we would not - go tigers MU - 2/13 19:24:50
          ^This! - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 2/14 06:46:59
          RE: If Grill, Tonje, East and Brown were healthy we would not - cybertyger MU - 2/14 01:54:44
          RE: If Grill, Tonje, East and Brown were healthy we would not - Frank Poncherello MU - 2/13 19:35:38
               Grill would not be a star. But he would attract some - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 2/14 06:58:53
               Grill was competent. Which is better than the players that - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 19:51:34
     RE: At the risk of being one of the few sane people in the room, - GreatScott MU - 2/13 19:20:31
     Ok, well lets revioew the past hires....KA lost 13 sraight - tigertix MU - 2/13 17:12:17
     Amen!! (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/13 17:08:31
     I don't want to. (nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 2/13 16:45:48
     Amen (nm) - oldsoldier MU - 2/13 15:17:51
     The amazing thing isn't posters calling for a winless coach - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 2/13 14:06:07
          Gates is from MJ's generation.......nm - tigertix MU - 2/13 17:14:32
     you're not one of the few. a year from now the handful of - phrejd MU - 2/13 14:00:46
     If he didn't have the recruiting class he has, I could see - tgr MU - 2/13 13:44:55
          I doubt we have what we currently have coming in...... - CapeKevin MU - 2/13 16:26:21
               Gates will release anyone that wants our from a LOI - Genco98 MU - 2/14 10:12:43
               The commits have all signed already (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 16:32:10
          It would be the biggest waste of money ever. Pulling the - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 14:42:32
     He will be given time - Genco98 MU - 2/13 13:16:12
          Gates X&O’s are more than adequate - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 13:38:49
               Not for this team - Genco98 MU - 2/13 14:01:47
                    Offensively there’s not a scheme fix for this team - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 14:04:22
                         Says who? - Genco98 MU - 2/13 14:40:45
                              Look at all the different types of sets they have tried this - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 14:54:47
                                   Truly you an employee of the AD - Genco98 MU - 2/13 17:55:05
                                        Can you stay on topic? - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 18:01:49
                                             All you do is keep arguing - Genco98 MU - 2/13 18:10:41
                                                  Sounds like you are agreeing with me - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 18:19:58
                                                       No I don't agree with you(nm) - Genco98 MU - 2/14 06:13:08
                                                            Are you sure - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/14 08:55:47
     He gets the chance to coach one of the top recruiting - alwaysright MU - 2/13 13:07:51
          and so did CM and we know how that went....nm - tigertix MU - 2/13 18:19:12
               CM did not have an elite class lined up for the next year - alwaysright MU - 2/14 07:32:24
     True, Its way too early. I'd guess most of the - SabertoothTiger MU - 2/13 13:04:39
     RE: At the risk of being one of the few sane people in the room, - Turk Tomich MU - 2/13 12:34:56
          Meanwhile the good coaches in thic conference keep - tigertix MU - 2/13 17:16:47
     Gates isn't going anywhere, which might also mean that - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 11:38:21
          RE: Gates isn't going anywhere, which might also mean that - CoachW MU - 2/13 20:58:08
          KU got run over last night without McCuller(nm) - oldtgr MU - 2/13 12:46:54
               True road games, ku is 2-5. We are 2-6 (nm) - MOKE MU - 2/13 13:16:10
                    That's actually kind of a crazy stat - Eggs MU - 2/13 14:31:56
                         RE: That's actually kind of a crazy stat - MOKE MU - 2/13 17:18:09
               They get beat on the road with him......nm - tigertix MU - 2/13 12:49:20
          Injuries are just one of the factors in the season being bad - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 11:52:49
          gates isn't the one making the injury excuses(nm) - TigerA MU - 2/13 11:41:58
               You're right. I'm not sure if he's given a satisfactory - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 11:45:26
                    gates overall record in D1 shows he is a better coach (nm) - TigerA MU - 2/13 11:49:50
                         Sort of. At least through roughly 2 seasons at Mizzou - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 11:56:19
                              Gates took Cleveland State to the NIT in his 3rd season - alstl MU - 2/13 12:37:57
                                   Gates took Cleve St. to the NCAA his 2nd season / NIT 3rd nm - MOKE MU - 2/13 13:22:05
                                        Horizon league - his team got worse(nm) - alstl MU - 2/13 16:15:07
                                             His team won the conference both seasons - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 16:36:03
                              you mean his coaching at CMSU?(nm) - TigerA MU - 2/13 11:57:29
                                   Yes and Pitt St. - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 11:59:53
                                        my HS coach has over 800 wins. he must be better than - TigerA MU - 2/13 12:02:43
                                             Maybe. I'm talking about win % though. If he got to 800 - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 12:12:30
                                                  KA's win % at CMSU was .745 / MU .284 / Pitt St. .500 - MOKE MU - 2/13 13:25:46
                                                       i personally don't think d2 should be included(nm) - TigerA MU - 2/13 13:28:46
                                                            That's fine with me. I also don't think KA is a - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 14:50:09
                                                                 nm..posted in the wrong spot .. - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 15:11:36
     You make mature, logical sense perhaps an anomaly?(nm) - oldtgr MU - 2/13 11:34:34
     I think the impact of injuries is being way overlooked - Eggs MU - 2/13 11:22:08
          many many teams have had critical injuries - SuperTone MU - 2/13 11:24:38
               Yeah even with the injuries it hasn't been handled well - Eggs MU - 2/13 11:52:20
                    They have blown a couple should be wins - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 12:13:26
     I don’t think anyone is truly saying can him now but there’s - TheWildcat MU - 2/13 10:56:17
     Fire Gates and ruin the entertainment? aTm took 37 free - alstl MU - 2/13 10:37:03
          Foul them every time they get close to the lane - mu7176grad MU - 2/13 10:55:55
     If 4* freshman next year play like the 4* this year , ugh - 68-69ron MU - 2/13 10:35:57
          4* freshmen are rarely impact players. Most of them - SuperTone MU - 2/13 10:38:54
               Depends on the level of the 4 star players - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 10:46:09
                    They'll all be in the rotation next year.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 2/13 10:49:38
                         Gates tends to have a bigger rotation than others - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 10:51:39
                              Why do you always state the obvious?? - shorty MU - 2/13 12:41:31
                              That probably means they all will be then.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 2/13 11:03:52
                                   that would only happen if Gates does worse in the portal - MizzouAstro MU - 2/13 11:17:20
                                        having 4 centers on the roster would be an interesting - SuperTone MU - 2/13 11:21:25
                                   Doubtful (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 11:08:55
                    If Butler doesn't transfer we will have 3 centers - somebody - alstl MU - 2/13 10:49:07
                         that's not how this works(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 2/13 11:16:32
                              How does this work?(nm) - alstl MU - 2/13 13:26:12
                         You are not very bright(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 2/13 10:51:03
                              How bright am I?(nm) - alstl MU - 2/13 13:25:35
                         centers are too foul prone. If you are going to play - SuperTone MU - 2/13 10:50:15
                              We have 3 centers this year. Majak is averaging 5 mpg - alstl MU - 2/13 12:28:47
                                   we dont always play a center this year.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 2/13 12:56:26
                                        Correct - and we have 3 next season. All 4* recruits(nm) - alstl MU - 2/13 13:04:09
                                   Butler has fouled out twice - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 12:34:10
                                        The entire team fouls constantly - that's not why Butler - alstl MU - 2/13 12:54:54
                                             Butler gets minutes - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 13:05:02
                                                  I believe the problem is Young moreso than Gates - alstl MU - 2/13 13:14:12
                                                       They don’t have the players to run the scheme - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 13:22:26
                                                            Last year 19 SEC games Missouri took more free throws 4 - alstl MU - 2/13 13:36:08
                                                                 It works at Florida State when Gates and CY were there - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 13:42:34
                                        Vanover abides(nm) - Yellow Weasel MU - 2/13 12:35:01
               Kobe Brown was 3* - he got that way by working his butt off - alstl MU - 2/13 10:43:45
                    he wasn't an impact player as a freshman(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 2/13 11:15:43
                         Depends what we call impact. - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 12:06:55
                    That is because he was trying to come to college as a pg - FIJItiger MU - 2/13 10:47:12
     Kneejerk and shortsighted on Tigerboard? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/13 10:31:35
     I think many fans dont want to but would be perfectly - SuperTone MU - 2/13 10:14:29
     There aren’t any legitimate posters calling for him to - FIJItiger MU - 2/13 10:08:01
          And several are most likely the same person - KC rules MU - 2/13 10:30:33
          correct(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 2/13 10:27:30
     Lost talent, replaced it the best he could with talent that - Diamond Dave MU - 2/13 10:06:17
     RE: At the risk of being one of the few sane people in the room, - tigrito MU - 2/13 09:56:19
          3/4 of a season isn't being shortsighted? you think that is - TigerA MU - 2/13 10:04:37
               It's a good enough sample size to be concerned. - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 11:53:44
                    i'm not saying don't be concerned at all. i'm saying to say - TigerA MU - 2/13 12:10:02
     I don't have a PhD in BB but the eye test tells me he has - tigertix MU - 2/13 09:50:57
          "lost on how to turn it around". what can he do midseason? - TigerA MU - 2/13 09:53:16
               I think that's his point. He's not giving the freshmen - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 12:23:29
                    Does a freshman develop more playing 20 mpg - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 12:36:47
                         None of the freshmen are averaging 15min/game - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 14:38:34
                              What evidence is there that 20 minutes is better for a - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 14:40:06
                                   That's a weird question and you know I don't have a - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 14:49:00
                                        I’m suggesting that there’s not a specific number of minutes - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 15:04:06
                                             You know what might hurt someone's confidence? - Yosa125 TAMU - 2/13 15:12:14
                                                  Butler is averaging 15 mpg over that same stretch - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/13 15:27:20
     Its the same folks that worshiped Cuonzo then called for his - itznotwillis MU - 2/13 09:50:14
          When I first started reading Tigerboard in ‘98, the general - FIJItiger MU - 2/13 10:09:42
     no sane person can want him fired(nm) - TigerA MU - 2/13 09:48:18
          Mods allowing too many troll DHs to completely - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/13 10:32:09
               just because someone is an idiot doesn't mean they - MizzouAstro MU - 2/13 11:15:07
                    start booting them - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/13 14:11:03
          sanity isn't the question - MizzouAstro MU - 2/13 10:26:37




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