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Ok, thanks. That would mean then that you would say

Posted on: October 31, 2023 at 15:58:01 CT
JeffB MU
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that Mr. Card had a right to own all of his weapons and no one had a right to infringe upon those rights, including family, mental health professionals or anyone else, unless he first was infringing on their rights... and even then, they only had a right to defend themselves and respond in a proportionate way.

For instance, if he shoved someone, their rights of self-defense would not include a right to break into his home and take all of his weapons.

It is also true that making threats against someone is not harming them correct?

eg. Saying "I'm so mad, I feel like I could shoot up the school down the road." even in conjunction with "I'm hearing voices." would not give anyone a right to forcibly take his weapons or break into his home to do so, or forcibly commit him into some mental institution where he is forcibly kept. Correct?
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Hey Ace!!! What law was not enforced? - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:19:27
     What law was not enforced by Dems? - Ace AU - 10/31 12:10:24
          Maine officials were given notice by the Army and family - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:16:40
               That isn't the law, Spanks. Your own cut and paste explains - Ace AU - 10/31 12:17:19
                    It is the law. Maine law-enforcement were given notification - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:20:19
                         you cut and paste summarized the law and said the facts - Ace AU - 10/31 12:27:50
                              The Sheriff and DA are Democrat. They were notified and - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:37:02
                                   the Maine law is triggered when a medical professional - cnk ATL - 10/31 12:45:38
                                        No... it is triggered when there is a complaint made to the - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:48:59
                                             that's not what the statute says(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/31 12:50:03
                                                  Wrong - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:54:58
                                                       but just above that it states... - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:00:47
                                                            The sheriff was given " information that gave rise to the - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:07:04
                                                                 The 3rd paragraph from your article is what prompted my - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:11:01
                                                                      He was taken into protective custody by the Army - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:14:01
                                                                           the Maine law doesn't apply to the Army, does it?(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:15:42
                                                                                The Sheriff was provided with credible information by the - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:18:33
                                                                                     I don't know if they failed to do their job or not because - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:27:17
                                                                                          and would you agree that the process starts when police - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:34:07
                                                                                               it doesn't really matter what I say the process should be - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:39:47
                                                                                                    It starts when the cops get involved.... - Spanky KU - 10/31 14:22:22
                                                                                                         that's not what the law says though - cnk ATL - 10/31 14:31:49
                                                                                                              What the cops admitted (#2) - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:09:30
                                                                                                              What the cops admitted (#1) - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:05:12
                                                                                                              What the law says: - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:04:30
                                                                                                                   when did Maine law enforcement have him in protective - cnk ATL - 10/31 15:32:47
                                                                                                                        They were supposed to have him in protective custody - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:45:53
                                                                                                    The law, as written, was an acquiescence to gun rights - Ace AU - 10/31 13:45:40
                                                                                                         ok, but that doesn't answer the question of whether - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:51:21
                                                                                                              Also, the treatment facility was in New York, not Maine - Ace AU - 10/31 14:45:32
                                                                                                              i don't have a dog in this fight, but if you step back from - 90Tiger STL - 10/31 14:30:32
                                                                                                                   I'm sure someone somewhere is looking to make - cnk ATL - 10/31 14:35:58
     No one will lose their government job over these failures - tigertix MU - 10/31 11:50:22
     The maine officials were right - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/31 11:49:04
          so in what case would a mentally compromised person - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/31 12:19:58
               "For supporting Trump!" - JG - MIZ45 MU - 10/31 12:36:11
               Never - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/31 12:26:34
                    there is no felon exemption either or age - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/31 12:34:03
          The Maine officials violated Maine law - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:52:49
               A law that violates rights - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:15:07
                    Enforce it or repeal it. Instead, Maine is considering - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:24:50
                         Of course they are - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:27:58
                              Despite the fact that enforcing the existing law would - Spanky KU - 10/31 14:41:55
     you two are good together (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:28:45
          How do you think Card's situation should have been handled?(nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:30:41
               Shall not be infringed - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 11:37:15
                    That does not answer the question. You expressed your - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:40:33
                         Nothing to the guns - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 11:41:27
                              More transparency on drugs used, their efficacy and dangers - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:26:27
                                   I agree - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 13:11:35
               Pretty sad his family did not do anything about it(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:34:54
                    They did do something about it. They notified the authoritie - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:39:32
                         prudent to see an exorcist? - kmawv8 MU - 10/31 11:43:46
                              Miss Cleo! - mizzouSECedes STL - 10/31 12:19:27
                              Fortune tellers are conduits for bringing in demons. (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:46:27
                                   lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/31 13:17:22
                                   Exorcists are conduits for bringing in - kmawv8 MU - 10/31 12:23:11
                                        That is the logical fallacy of a faulty generalization... at - JeffB MU - 10/31 14:50:37
                                        Is there a vocational school for this? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 13:13:05
                    His family reported him to the cops (nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:38:57
                         That is not doing anything(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:39:49
                              You are dumb and don’t understand the English language(nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:53:42
                                   Family should have taken him to the hospital - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:00:13
                                        He was taken to the hospital and kept there for 14 days. - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:03:01
                                             Should be between doctor and family (nm) - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:12:45
                                                  It sounds like the mental health institution & especially - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:17:53
                                                       It is a family issue - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:21:59
                                                            Your paradigm would obviously involve government in our - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:41:26
                                                                 Would not invoke government at all - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:43:55
                                                                      Would you reject the anarchist's non-aggression principle - JeffB MU - 10/31 14:58:31
                                                            That might violate the anarchists' paradigm for society, no? - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:29:54
                                                                 I specifically said private institutions - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:31:28
                                                                 meat isn't an anarchist, bafoon - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:31:07
                                                                      I didn't claim that he was. Just pointing out that his - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:36:40
                                                                           maybe there isn't a solution, Jeff - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:40:28
                                                                                You would apply your paradigm of just letting things happen - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:43:34
                                                                                     you also have an overwhelming urge to create strawmen - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:46:14
                                                                                          No, you are running from a legitimate question. You cannot - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:15:50
                                                                                               it isn't reductio ad absurdum when the line of logic you are - ashtray UF - 10/31 15:22:24
                                                                                                    The question is a legitimate one, why do you refuse to answe - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:26:42
                                                                                                         without exception (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 15:30:21
                                                                                                              Ok, thanks. That would mean then that you would say - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:58:01
                                                                                                                   making threats is a use of force (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 15:59:13
                                                                                                                        What about someone who didn't threaten force, but talked - JeffB MU - 10/31 16:06:13
                                                                                          it's a learned reflex, I see it here all day long (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/31 13:52:36
                                                                           Since we are not believers in a single central planning - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:40:07
                                                                                It looks to me like you have things backwards here. - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:38:31
                              What should his family have done? (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:43:22
               hindsight is 20/20 - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:34:22
                    You are dumb - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:40:51
                         why would anyone believe the Army? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:41:29
                              You are dumb - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:57:57
                                   you're the one who believes the Army, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:13:24
                                        The Sheriff admits he was notified by the Army, dumb@$$(nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:40:08
                                             oh, another government flunkee - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:41:34
                                                  Democrat elected official(nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:36:38
                                                       so it's even worse that's who you put your trust in (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 14:31:02
                    That still leaves the critical question... How should such - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:37:10
                         Until private businesses are willing to foot the bill for - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 11:43:11
                              No one should be restricted from buying, possessing, flaunti - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:45:50
                                   Businesses that do not allow customers to carry should - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 11:50:42
                                        Don't go to Mizzou games? (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:56:01
                                             It is still up to me whether to go. Im assuming the risk am - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 12:02:43
                                                  Perhaps. It does seem to me that college football games are - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:06:07
                                                       I would not consider large venues to be soft targets - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:24:54
                                                            I think someone could drive into a parking lot where - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:35:16
                                                                 so why hasn't that happened? - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:37:56
                                                                 Yes that could be done - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:37:17
                                                       I honestly dont remember if there are detectors at the gates - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 12:07:15
                         by who? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:40:26
                              My question was open ended to you. You have the ability - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:47:57
                                   He prefers to be led. It’s obvious that identifying - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:02:43
                                        I'm not a central planner, and neither are you - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:17:19
                                             If you aren’t a central planner and don’t feel qualified - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:20:17
                                                  remember when you asked why I get personal? - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:22:17
                                                       Haha! I’m sorry ash. It’s just that when someone asks… - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:26:27
                                                            no, it would be reasonable if the asker of the question - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:27:56
                                                                 How many people do you want him to ask you about - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:31:02
                                                                      it's his quesiton. why would I determine that? - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:34:01
                                                                           Clearly no one respects your thoughts on anything - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:39:04
                                                                                lol.. I will re-lower my expectations for you - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:42:17
                                                                                     Haha! And I will spoon feed every question as to - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:45:10
                                   wait. it's my responsibility to construct your question for - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:49:04
                                        You don't seem to understand. I never asked you to construct - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:02:03
                                             I don't run the world and don't want to - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:16:36
                                                  So you have no solutions whatsoever. It is every man for - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:19:00
                                                       nice strawman, but you run with that (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:22:46
                                                            You haven't given an alternative. So far, all you have - JeffB MU - 10/31 16:14:46
                              That’s what he’s asking you. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:41:12
                                   no it isn't (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:42:59
                                        He didn’t ask you how it should be handled? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:43:58
                                             RE: He didn’t ask you how it should be dealt with? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:44:46
                                             I said "by who" - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:44:38
                                                  That’s where you come in, it’s part of the question, unless - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:45:58
                                                       does everyone act as a collective in your world? - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:47:56
                                                            It’s called a non leading question… - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:51:10
                                                                 lol. holy shyt (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:52:10
                                                                      And still no answer, we get it. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:52:49
     How many people would be arrested and detained - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:25:39
          How do you think Card's situation should have been handled? - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:34:09
               The family should have taken the guns and went to court to - tigertix MU - 10/31 11:52:29
                    The anarchists reject that methodology. I am interested in - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:21:18
          Given mental evaluations for exhibiting severe and violent - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:28:06
               so detained (which is basically the same as arrested) - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:30:21
                    For a mental evaluation that determines the likelihood of - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:38:11
               ^^^ CCP (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:30:13
     Speaking of mass murderers, anyone seen the manifesto… - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:22:48
     Law enforcement's failure should always mean - mizzouSECedes STL - 10/31 11:21:48
     Well we clearly need more laws - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/31 11:20:47




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