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Posted on: May 8, 2023 at 07:46:52 CT

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firearm people choosing to end their lives are more likely to use a firearm todo so?

Any time suicides are included in gun violence reports you know someone is trying to make a gun control argument.

If you remove suicides and accidents from those reports 'gun violence' drops to almost zero outside of metropolitan areas.

Is there a reason they keep such a large data point in these reports when no one in their right mind includes suicide when discussing violent attacks?

I have had a couple of family members commit suicide and their chosen method was a gun. Not one single member of our family considers their deaths to be caused by gun violence.

Most people would not include self-harm as violence.

Please explain why this message is being reported.

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Blue State Gun Violence - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:00:25

Its common sense, and the stupid responses below are the - FIJItiger MU

- 5/8 08:20:14

I can't say I disagree with any of that(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:12:25

If I were ever to randomly shot it would not be in my - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:53:03

9 older people went to church on Sunday, June 17, 2015 - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:15:19

There are outliers in any large data set. Focusing on them - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:16:47

They're people not outliers* - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:40:36

Data is data. Outlier is not a moral judgement. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:56:06

I'm more interested in people than being right(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 12:05:47

Hopefully you or someone you know doesn't become an outlier - FIJItiger MU

- 5/8 09:18:53

Or you can be proactive and avoid high crime areas and your - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:59:42

So many of these mass murders are in suburban areas - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 12:07:08

I'm sure that is what most victims of mass shootings thought - FIJItiger MU

- 5/8 08:55:52

Wow amazing. In states where it is easier to obtain a - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:46:52

Over 50% of gun deaths annually are from suicide… - Outsider MU - 5/8 07:56:44

It is a way to make an urban problem appear to be a national - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:18:42

Is it possible that it is both?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:24:22

Look at crime maps. Murder is NOT a national problem. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:34:48

I hope you never do know anyone who is murdered. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:38:26

We do have the highest rate but it is not homogenous - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:50:47

Of course it's not homogenous as any data set can be - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:00:59

Our educational system spends disproportionately - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:15:48

property taxes are the huge lever - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:32:40

That was total per pupil spending. It takes into account - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:53:19

Don't agree with that at all. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 12:37:01

Spot on. (nm) - Outsider MU - 5/8 08:22:17

True, choosing poison, drowning, jumping off a tall building - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:50:44

if it allows us to have a greater chance of intervening and - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:59:38

What's your solution? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:00:45

Let's start with respectful discourse - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:09:14

RE: Let's start with respectful discourse - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 08:33:50

I agree with all of that(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:40:06

you contradict yourself - DesertTiger MU - 5/8 08:30:39

No, I'm saying I have ideas but admit I could be wrong - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:35:00

my concern is any infringement - DesertTiger MU - 5/8 08:52:38

respectful discourse: You misrepresented data in your OP, - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 08:29:06

But when you focus on guns you ignore the underlying - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:23:57

We have a big cultural problem alright - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:10:22

So it seems you already have the answers then. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:12:20

Nobody will ever change my mind that we - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:15:04

doesn't it depend on confiscate guns from whom? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:19:51

Why stop at guns then? - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:22:23

oh I'm with you on that. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:26:09

RE: True, choosing poison, drowning, jumping off a tall building - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:55:24

Also a male/female issue. Males overwhelmingly choose guns - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:54:34

RE: Wow amazing. In states where it is easier to obtain a - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:49:31

Slightly dated but I doubt the numbers change much. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:07:58

Thanks for the link - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:11:00

But there are still obvious differences. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:47:08

now do demographics - Th8tnTiger MU - 5/8 07:42:22

did you see Elon's white supremacist tweet?(nm) - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 07:50:40

yes aaron rupar was not happy about it(nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 5/8 07:54:36

what was the tweet? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:56:00

RE: what was the tweet? (nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 5/8 07:58:25

lol awesome (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:59:27

Are you trying to inject nuance into his nice & tidy - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:49:24

Yeah that whole MORE GUNS FOR EVERYBODY - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:41:40

The whole MORE INSANE because they are goo & chance - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 08:07:04

Because if there were no guns there would be no crime - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:50:07

Because if there were less guns there would be - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 08:00:11

how do you know that?(nm) - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 08:09:27

You believe that - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:01:38

Irrelevant, but carry on(nm) - Mormad MU - 5/8 07:52:03

yes unfortunately true on both points(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:48:15

What is your solution? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:42:00

There likely is no solution. You people have - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:47:46

lol what? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:49:25

"you people" - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 07:49:16

Get rid of scary guns of course(nm) - redngray MU - 5/8 07:42:38

...held by the common people. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:45:14

He won't have the balls to say that - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:43:13

I'm not for gun confiscation, you 🤡 - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:48:34

Do you want the You People to confiscate them? lol(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 08:08:20

Why not? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:51:22

"DO SOMETHING!" - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 07:50:17

I will concede that Lamar - redngray MU - 5/8 07:44:06

I'm actually interested in the discourse - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:52:42

RE: I will concede that Lamar: True, but he doubles down on - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:45:20

You mean stoopid like lying POS cowards - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 08:02:46

RE: I will concede that Lamar: True, but he doubles down on - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:54:18

Dude needs to stay in his lane - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 07:36:37

so he shouldn't research gun violence because - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:38:05

go back and read what he posted (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:40:30

okay. and?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:41:14

no, he's the director of interpersonal violence and he's - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 07:39:44

how does that mean he should stay in his lane? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:41:02

Where did I say he should shut up? - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 07:43:49

Stay in his lane? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:50:59

Relevant gun data would be violence - which he apparently - CulturedDan MU

- 5/8 07:52:49

that's not a good analogy to me - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:55:03

What's the solution to addressing the problem? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:57:20

I don't have the solutions but I'd think that - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:07:48

It isn't relevant data (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:51:42

I find it relevant though. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:53:35

It isn't relevant (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:57:37

to you - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:12:59

I never claimed that (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:14:21

Okay. Thanks for clarifying(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:15:00

You're struggling with basic words today (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:41:40

You cited the speaker; I stand corrected. But why not cite - hokie VT - 5/8 07:29:32

Blue City gun deaths dwarf all others(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 07:23:52

Yep. It’s interesting that the study focuses on state… - Outsider MU - 5/8 07:28:42

Not per capita. (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:27:00

lol you can't be helped commie(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 07:37:16

sorry just trying to help you understand(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:38:27

How many guns are there by State. Are you telling us those - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:23:45

it's per capita(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:27:30

RE: it's per capita: Why didn't you include that in your OP? - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:35:02

because it doesn't take a PhD to understand that(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:38:48

You were caught misrepresenting statistical information. - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:44:15

It sounds like you need to be right - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:56:53

Or California? The premise is flawed. (nm) - Outsider MU - 5/8 07:25:16

RE: Blue State Gun Violence - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:21:17

How many murders with guns? How many deaths from all other - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:20:09

You quote people without context, you cite speeches - hokie VT - 5/8 07:19:27

It's a direct quote from an academic who studies - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:24:24

RE: It's a direct quote from an academic: He's an advocate - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:36:49

RE: It's a direct quote from an academic: He's an advocate - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:59:19

so you're unwilling to accept data from anyone who - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:39:45

Not what I posted. If you were honest, you wouldn't attempt - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:47:25

Help me understand your post then because - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:57:50

RE: You quote people without context, you cite speeches - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:23:11

What's the point of this information?(nm) - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:03:32

Where there are more guns, there are more deaths. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:13:12

You didn't answer his question (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:24:18

Yes. He did answer the question... - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:42:57

He asked the point. I restated the point the author made(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:26:16

That point is meaningless - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:28:15

that's your opinion but I certainly disagree (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:40:15

You don't think there should be an action item? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:42:23

No there should not - meatiger MU - 5/8 08:16:26

Even if it were true (and even if we accepted your cherry - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:21:42

This is the problem here - meatiger MU - 5/8 08:15:15

What good is the data without a solution to - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:20:06

That's a different question. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:25:15

Here's your chance to answer it (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:25:46

Contrary to what he says - redngray MU - 5/8 07:10:00

You really are full of fear(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:13:33

Am I the one constantly posting about guns? - redngray MU - 5/8 07:14:54

What do you constantly post about? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:18:46

You've been riding the wave - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:23:18

This post is full of irrational fear.(nm) - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:22:29

Strange post but ok(nm) - redngray MU - 5/8 07:20:50

Not willing to answer?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:25:30

Answer what? - redngray MU - 5/8 07:29:38

Sure. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:43:08

I’m not constantly starting threads about them - redngray MU - 5/8 07:45:34

constantly? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:17:02

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