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since we're playing "what ifs" - what if b/c of a congenital

Posted on: October 18, 2021 at 14:29:59 CT

CulturedDan MU

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heart/lung defect, the fetus, prior to separation from the umbilical cord, is placed on an Extra-Corpreal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) circuit which mechanically provides the same function of an umbilical cord and the fetus would not survive without it.

Is it still a fetus until it's liberated from the circuit?

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question for umm and DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 13:30:42

These are tough questions and there are no good answers. - ummmm MU - 10/18 14:48:30

thanks for the conversations - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:12:01

putting aside positivist lawmaking for a second, from a - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:53:54

no, but the forcing of a woman to carry it to term is - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:57:00

nobody is forcing her. I would just kindly ask her to not - dangertim MU

- 10/18 15:12:21

if she's forced to carry the fetus to term - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:20:11

well, Then I guess motherhood is slavery as well, according - dangertim MU

- 10/18 15:34:32

only if she is compelled to do so (nm) - pickle MU

- 10/18 15:48:48

no, motherhood is a choice - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:36:13

she can also leave it upon an ash heap, according to Roman - dangertim MU

- 10/18 15:38:07

I disagree - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:39:40

In unicorn land, sure. But we don't live in an ideal - dangertim MU

- 10/18 15:49:36

no, it's in reality land - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:53:39

Yes it does fail, the voluntary relationship - dangertim MU

- 10/18 16:26:40

Yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/18 14:55:05

I agree - I think any discussion beyond that is difficult - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:56:08

It is actually DG, not DT.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:09:04

cnk says it's DE - SwampTiger MU - 10/18 14:26:20

Dang Ertim - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:33:14

I actually do have some Penn Dutch in my line by way - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:35:57

I'm an extremely good guesser(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:37:36

guess what's in my pocket(nm) - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:38:53

a safety pin, 3 nickels, and a broken button(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:43:21

lol, idiot - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:50:15

That's because cnk is permanently high at this point.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:28:10

only sometimes(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:34:20

Thank you. I assumed it was a pet name like ass tray - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:22:19

I have seen you referred to as DT many times on here(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:24:59

it's because they don't love me(nm) - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:27:02

sorry...thought the DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:27:52

Danger Tim? What kind of homosexual would come up with - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:31:20

I always pictured you as some sort of bravado guy - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:33:23

Mr Gertim to you.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 15:59:09

Dan Gertim.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:28:44

I apologize DG(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:29:29

Donald Trump?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/18 13:57:08

You guys see this? We got these MOTHERS trying to - dangertim MU

- 10/18 13:59:23

lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/18 14:05:39

It's from some point at the pregnancy - I'm not going to - dangertim MU

- 10/18 13:55:14

Here is where I challenge people morally - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:17:45

You have no right to compel another (nm) - pickle MU

- 10/18 14:22:42

You pretend you give absolutes - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:20:59

Where did I disagree with him? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:22:15

I did not say you disagreed with DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:23:46

How did I misrepresent you on this issue? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:25:02

I have never said I supported abortion - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:26:09

I have said you believe the mother has a right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:27:34

RE: I have said you believe the mother has a right - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:28:53

The mother should kill it and just move on - she is only - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:34:46

That is not my position at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:04:11

fair points - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:08:34

I really do understand those concerns, but I still think - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:21:38

For you, the mother has a right to simply kill it until it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:11:07

You consider a fertilized cell human?(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:14:36

What defines human? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:22:50

I do personally - yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:19:22

We have always referred to the birth - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:22:53

So it’s not “human” until the cord is cut? Again, your - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:25:31

No we have not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:23:44

It is a fetus while the umbilical cord is attached - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:24:29

since we're playing "what ifs" - what if b/c of a congenital - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:29:59

According to meat, people on life support could all be - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:33:22

so who are you going to force to keep people on - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:36:21

You do know that not all people who go on some form of - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:48:53

but someone has to put them on life support, don't they? - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:50:37

So you are against Emergency services? Hospitals? - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:58:17

no, you should really learn to read and comprehend - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:59:00

Please do explain. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:00:29

who is the slave you are going to force to hook them up - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:01:56

Uh, I believe slavery was abolished some time ago… - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:02:57

what about the right to life? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:03:29

What about it? Are we done talking about slaves? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:05:00

does the person have a right to life or not? - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:05:50

A court would decide that. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:11:20

lol.. so you have no answer - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:21:21

A jury is not the government. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:24:31

so courts are private entities now? - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:25:52

A jury isn’t the government. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:28:36

court is, you idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:29:29

And in the court is a jury you dumbfuk. A prosecutor is - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:37:18

LMAO - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:40:32

Owned. Now go outside and play bytch. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:43:03

yes. yes you were - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:43:40

Ha! Says the guy who believes being on a jury is - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:46:27

there's your reading comprehension problems again - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:54:34

Quit bothering me asshat, I’m searching zip recruiter for - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:58:42

even if that were a job, they wouldn't hire you - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:03:19

But it’s a govt. job, they’ll even take you. Haha! (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 16:06:35

I'm sure they would love to have me - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:11:12

LMAO! (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 16:13:32

nice laydown (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:15:47

good question - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:32:28

I disagree, but I think that's fair for your to think that. - dangertim MU

- 10/18 14:34:40

fair point - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:06:44

It's my personal (unscientific) opinion that the rigid - dangertim MU

- 10/18 15:36:36

I cannot believe you continue to shock me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:26:48

So it’s crying, moving, breathing…but not “human” - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:26:46

the mother, doctor and all who knowingly participate - Spanky KU - 10/18 13:47:03

Should get good when meat explains to them they don't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 13:52:05

“question for umm and DT” (nm) - pickle MU

- 10/18 13:48:58

anyone can answer - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:08:58

There is a PM function if he wants - tman MU - 10/18 13:57:57

RE: “question for umm and DT” (nm) - MUTGR MU - 10/18 13:52:46

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