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It's from some point at the pregnancy - I'm not going to

Posted on: October 18, 2021 at 13:55:14 CT
CulturedDan MU
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act like the authority on when that is, but ideally it would be at conception - but, as many would argue, it literally is just a clump of cells (albeit a genetically distinct and unique one at that). Probably once implantation occurs for sure and at least when there is a distinct heartbeat.

I will say for sure that anything after 22 weeks is murder - as we have reliably kept babies alive born at that time, but I will not say a baby before that moment is not "human" ("Human" in that it would be murder to kill) because I am sure that some point technology will advance to the point that we can get babies to survive at an earlier gestational age. I cannot accept the argument that the baby is "property" of the mother. The mother is a steward of that life, just like she is the steward of a 7 day-old.

Who's the murderer? I put both the doctor and the mother (and any complicit family) to blame.


As far as "laws" and "punishment" I am not going to advocate for either. This is between them and their own conscious and/or their creator. Society has accepted that this form of murder is acceptable just as capital punishment and war (both civilian and military targets).
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question for umm and DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 13:30:42
     These are tough questions and there are no good answers. - ummmm MU - 10/18 14:48:30
          thanks for the conversations - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:12:01
          putting aside positivist lawmaking for a second, from a - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:53:54
               no, but the forcing of a woman to carry it to term is - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:57:00
                    nobody is forcing her. I would just kindly ask her to not - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:12:21
                         if she's forced to carry the fetus to term - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:20:11
                              well, Then I guess motherhood is slavery as well, according - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:34:32
                                   only if she is compelled to do so (nm) - pickle MU - 10/18 15:48:48
                                   no, motherhood is a choice - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:36:13
                                        she can also leave it upon an ash heap, according to Roman - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:38:07
                                             I disagree - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:39:40
                                                  In unicorn land, sure. But we don't live in an ideal - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:49:36
                                                       no, it's in reality land - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:53:39
                                                            Yes it does fail, the voluntary relationship - dangertim MU - 10/18 16:26:40
               Yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/18 14:55:05
                    I agree - I think any discussion beyond that is difficult - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:56:08
     It is actually DG, not DT.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:09:04
          cnk says it's DE - SwampTiger MU - 10/18 14:26:20
               Dang Ertim - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:33:14
                    I actually do have some Penn Dutch in my line by way - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:35:57
                         I'm an extremely good guesser(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:37:36
                              guess what's in my pocket(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:38:53
                                   a safety pin, 3 nickels, and a broken button(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:43:21
                                        lol, idiot - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:50:15
               That's because cnk is permanently high at this point.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:28:10
                    only sometimes(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:34:20
          Thank you. I assumed it was a pet name like ass tray - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:22:19
               I have seen you referred to as DT many times on here(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:24:59
                    it's because they don't love me(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:27:02
                         sorry...thought the DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:27:52
                              Danger Tim? What kind of homosexual would come up with - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:31:20
                                   I always pictured you as some sort of bravado guy - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:33:23
                                        Mr Gertim to you.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 15:59:09
                              Dan Gertim.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:28:44
                                   I apologize DG(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:29:29
     Donald Trump?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/18 13:57:08
          You guys see this? We got these MOTHERS trying to - dangertim MU - 10/18 13:59:23
               lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/18 14:05:39
     It's from some point at the pregnancy - I'm not going to - dangertim MU - 10/18 13:55:14
          Here is where I challenge people morally - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:17:45
               You have no right to compel another (nm) - pickle MU - 10/18 14:22:42
               You pretend you give absolutes - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:20:59
                    Where did I disagree with him? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:22:15
                         I did not say you disagreed with DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:23:46
                              How did I misrepresent you on this issue? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:25:02
                                   I have never said I supported abortion - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:26:09
                                        I have said you believe the mother has a right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:27:34
                                             RE: I have said you believe the mother has a right - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:28:53
                                                  The mother should kill it and just move on - she is only - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:34:46
                                                       That is not my position at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:04:11
          fair points - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:08:34
               I really do understand those concerns, but I still think - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:21:38
               For you, the mother has a right to simply kill it until it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:11:07
                    You consider a fertilized cell human?(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:14:36
                         What defines human? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:22:50
                         I do personally - yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:19:22
                              We have always referred to the birth - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:22:53
                                   So it’s not “human” until the cord is cut? Again, your - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:25:31
                                   No we have not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:23:44
                                        It is a fetus while the umbilical cord is attached - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:24:29
                                             since we're playing "what ifs" - what if b/c of a congenital - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:29:59
                                                  According to meat, people on life support could all be - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:33:22
                                                       so who are you going to force to keep people on - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:36:21
                                                            You do know that not all people who go on some form of - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:48:53
                                                                 but someone has to put them on life support, don't they? - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:50:37
                                                                      So you are against Emergency services? Hospitals? - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:58:17
                                                                           no, you should really learn to read and comprehend - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:59:00
                                                                                Please do explain. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:00:29
                                                                                     who is the slave you are going to force to hook them up - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:01:56
                                                                                          Uh, I believe slavery was abolished some time ago… - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:02:57
                                                                                               what about the right to life? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:03:29
                                                                                                    What about it? Are we done talking about slaves? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:05:00
                                                                                                         does the person have a right to life or not? - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:05:50
                                                                                                              A court would decide that. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:11:20
                                                                                                                   lol.. so you have no answer - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:21:21
                                                                                                                        A jury is not the government. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:24:31
                                                                                                                             so courts are private entities now? - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:25:52
                                                                                                                                  A jury isn’t the government. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:28:36
                                                                                                                                       court is, you idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:29:29
                                                                                                                                            And in the court is a jury you dumbfuk. A prosecutor is - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:37:18
                                                                                                                                                 LMAO - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:40:32
                                                                                                                                                      Owned. Now go outside and play bytch. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:43:03
                                                                                                                                                           yes. yes you were - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:43:40
                                                                                                                                                                Ha! Says the guy who believes being on a jury is - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:46:27
                                                                                                                                                                     there's your reading comprehension problems again - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:54:34
                                                                                                                                                                          Quit bothering me asshat, I’m searching zip recruiter for - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:58:42
                                                                                                                                                                               even if that were a job, they wouldn't hire you - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:03:19
                                                                                                                                                                                    But it’s a govt. job, they’ll even take you. Haha! (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 16:06:35
                                                                                                                                                                                         I'm sure they would love to have me - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:11:12
                                                                                                                                                                                              LMAO! (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 16:13:32
                                                                                                                                                                                                   nice laydown (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:15:47
                                                  good question - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:32:28
                                                       I disagree, but I think that's fair for your to think that. - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:34:40
                                                            fair point - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:06:44
                                                                 It's my personal (unscientific) opinion that the rigid - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:36:36
                                             I cannot believe you continue to shock me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:26:48
                                             So it’s crying, moving, breathing…but not “human” - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:26:46
     the mother, doctor and all who knowingly participate - Spanky KU - 10/18 13:47:03
          Should get good when meat explains to them they don't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 13:52:05
          “question for umm and DT” (nm) - pickle MU - 10/18 13:48:58
               anyone can answer - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:08:58
               There is a PM function if he wants - tman MU - 10/18 13:57:57
               RE: “question for umm and DT” (nm) - MUTGR MU - 10/18 13:52:46




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