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Here is where I challenge people morally

Posted on: October 18, 2021 at 14:17:45 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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We all agree at some point we have life. That is indisputable. The issue is when that occurs.

If you take the position of wanting to abort, isn't the only moral choice one that would make those wishing to abort prove it isn't life at that time? This way we know we are not taking innocent life. Instead, we err on the side of killing. We assume it is not life until proven otherwise even though we all agree it becomes life. That means our decision is to err on the side of infanticide - a morally obscene position.
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question for umm and DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 13:30:42
     These are tough questions and there are no good answers. - ummmm MU - 10/18 14:48:30
          thanks for the conversations - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:12:01
          putting aside positivist lawmaking for a second, from a - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:53:54
               no, but the forcing of a woman to carry it to term is - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:57:00
                    nobody is forcing her. I would just kindly ask her to not - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:12:21
                         if she's forced to carry the fetus to term - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:20:11
                              well, Then I guess motherhood is slavery as well, according - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:34:32
                                   only if she is compelled to do so (nm) - pickle MU - 10/18 15:48:48
                                   no, motherhood is a choice - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:36:13
                                        she can also leave it upon an ash heap, according to Roman - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:38:07
                                             I disagree - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:39:40
                                                  In unicorn land, sure. But we don't live in an ideal - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:49:36
                                                       no, it's in reality land - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:53:39
                                                            Yes it does fail, the voluntary relationship - dangertim MU - 10/18 16:26:40
               Yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/18 14:55:05
                    I agree - I think any discussion beyond that is difficult - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:56:08
     It is actually DG, not DT.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:09:04
          cnk says it's DE - SwampTiger MU - 10/18 14:26:20
               Dang Ertim - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:33:14
                    I actually do have some Penn Dutch in my line by way - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:35:57
                         I'm an extremely good guesser(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:37:36
                              guess what's in my pocket(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:38:53
                                   a safety pin, 3 nickels, and a broken button(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:43:21
                                        lol, idiot - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:50:15
               That's because cnk is permanently high at this point.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:28:10
                    only sometimes(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/18 14:34:20
          Thank you. I assumed it was a pet name like ass tray - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:22:19
               I have seen you referred to as DT many times on here(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:24:59
                    it's because they don't love me(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:27:02
                         sorry...thought the DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:27:52
                              Danger Tim? What kind of homosexual would come up with - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:31:20
                                   I always pictured you as some sort of bravado guy - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:33:23
                                        Mr Gertim to you.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 15:59:09
                              Dan Gertim.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/18 14:28:44
                                   I apologize DG(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:29:29
     Donald Trump?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/18 13:57:08
          You guys see this? We got these MOTHERS trying to - dangertim MU - 10/18 13:59:23
               lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/18 14:05:39
     It's from some point at the pregnancy - I'm not going to - dangertim MU - 10/18 13:55:14
          Here is where I challenge people morally - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:17:45
               You have no right to compel another (nm) - pickle MU - 10/18 14:22:42
               You pretend you give absolutes - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:20:59
                    Where did I disagree with him? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:22:15
                         I did not say you disagreed with DT - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:23:46
                              How did I misrepresent you on this issue? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:25:02
                                   I have never said I supported abortion - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:26:09
                                        I have said you believe the mother has a right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:27:34
                                             RE: I have said you believe the mother has a right - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:28:53
                                                  The mother should kill it and just move on - she is only - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:34:46
                                                       That is not my position at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:04:11
          fair points - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:08:34
               I really do understand those concerns, but I still think - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:21:38
               For you, the mother has a right to simply kill it until it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:11:07
                    You consider a fertilized cell human?(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:14:36
                         What defines human? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:22:50
                         I do personally - yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:19:22
                              We have always referred to the birth - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:22:53
                                   So it’s not “human” until the cord is cut? Again, your - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:25:31
                                   No we have not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:23:44
                                        It is a fetus while the umbilical cord is attached - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:24:29
                                             since we're playing "what ifs" - what if b/c of a congenital - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:29:59
                                                  According to meat, people on life support could all be - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:33:22
                                                       so who are you going to force to keep people on - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:36:21
                                                            You do know that not all people who go on some form of - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:48:53
                                                                 but someone has to put them on life support, don't they? - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:50:37
                                                                      So you are against Emergency services? Hospitals? - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:58:17
                                                                           no, you should really learn to read and comprehend - ashtray UF - 10/18 14:59:00
                                                                                Please do explain. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:00:29
                                                                                     who is the slave you are going to force to hook them up - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:01:56
                                                                                          Uh, I believe slavery was abolished some time ago… - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:02:57
                                                                                               what about the right to life? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:03:29
                                                                                                    What about it? Are we done talking about slaves? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:05:00
                                                                                                         does the person have a right to life or not? - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:05:50
                                                                                                              A court would decide that. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:11:20
                                                                                                                   lol.. so you have no answer - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:21:21
                                                                                                                        A jury is not the government. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:24:31
                                                                                                                             so courts are private entities now? - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:25:52
                                                                                                                                  A jury isn’t the government. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:28:36
                                                                                                                                       court is, you idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:29:29
                                                                                                                                            And in the court is a jury you dumbfuk. A prosecutor is - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:37:18
                                                                                                                                                 LMAO - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:40:32
                                                                                                                                                      Owned. Now go outside and play bytch. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:43:03
                                                                                                                                                           yes. yes you were - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:43:40
                                                                                                                                                                Ha! Says the guy who believes being on a jury is - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:46:27
                                                                                                                                                                     there's your reading comprehension problems again - ashtray UF - 10/18 15:54:34
                                                                                                                                                                          Quit bothering me asshat, I’m searching zip recruiter for - Outsider MU - 10/18 15:58:42
                                                                                                                                                                               even if that were a job, they wouldn't hire you - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:03:19
                                                                                                                                                                                    But it’s a govt. job, they’ll even take you. Haha! (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 16:06:35
                                                                                                                                                                                         I'm sure they would love to have me - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:11:12
                                                                                                                                                                                              LMAO! (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/18 16:13:32
                                                                                                                                                                                                   nice laydown (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/18 16:15:47
                                                  good question - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:32:28
                                                       I disagree, but I think that's fair for your to think that. - dangertim MU - 10/18 14:34:40
                                                            fair point - meatiger MU - 10/18 15:06:44
                                                                 It's my personal (unscientific) opinion that the rigid - dangertim MU - 10/18 15:36:36
                                             I cannot believe you continue to shock me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 14:26:48
                                             So it’s crying, moving, breathing…but not “human” - Outsider MU - 10/18 14:26:46
     the mother, doctor and all who knowingly participate - Spanky KU - 10/18 13:47:03
          Should get good when meat explains to them they don't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/18 13:52:05
          “question for umm and DT” (nm) - pickle MU - 10/18 13:48:58
               anyone can answer - meatiger MU - 10/18 14:08:58
               There is a PM function if he wants - tman MU - 10/18 13:57:57
               RE: “question for umm and DT” (nm) - MUTGR MU - 10/18 13:52:46




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