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Here is my angle at potential optimism

Posted on: August 17, 2021 at 08:12:40 CT
FIJItiger MU
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We are in roughly the same spot currently as the offseason of 2008. Similarly we had a coach who had inherited a program in disaster, and the early returns were less than promising. We had a returning roster of only one highly sought after recruit in Leo Lyons who had been rather underwhelming to that point and were bringing in a class of 5 non-top 100 freshman, a transfer from Delaware, and a JUCO big man. People thought we were building a mid-major program with a mid-major coach. Expectations were low, but those who understood what Mike Anderson was trying to do could see he finally was assembling the pieces and depth and skill sets he needed. We ended up setting the program record with 31 wins, won the Big 12 championship, and advanced to the Elite Eight that season.

I'm not saying that is going to happen this year, but it would have been equally ludicrous to suggest it was going to happen in 2008. In my opinion the last three seasons MU has been fluctuating between rather poor to very poorly coached, and that diminishes my optimism of Cuonzo being able to ever do good things at MU. But I will also acknowledge the possibility that what I see as poor coaching could be trying to adapt his style to the limited roster's strengths that he was working with, and it is realistically possible that this upcoming roster on paper may be less talented but more conducive to playing to Cuonzo's strengths as a coach.

If you were to isolate the two positions that Cuonzo doesn't seem to care about or understand how to utilize its pg and center. I'm not sure it really matters who plays either of those positions for us. Yet last year our two most talented players were our pg and our center, who both struggled and were poorly utilized and the team underperformed. Now we seem to have a roster with a bunch of interchangeable wings. Doesn't seem ideal from my perspective and I still don't get what he is trying to do from a roster construction standpoint, but maybe this aligns better to what his strengths as a coach are?

Cuonzo inherited and then built some rather poor athleticism rosters thus far at MU. While I was initially very impressed defensively what he was able to get out of that first roster he inherited that had many faults, as he started getting more of his own guys in place it seemed like athleticism and accordingly defensive effectiveness just kept dropping. I suspect this upcoming team will struggle mightily to score, but if they are in fact the most athletic of his MU tenure then that does maybe bode well for him being able to do things with it that he simply couldn't do with prior rosters and using it in ways that accentuate his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses as a coach.

If we could develop a team identify around defense like many envisioned when Cuonzo took this job and the pieces fit better into what he is trying to do, maybe we won't look so poorly coached going forward and the results will improve. We shall see. But in some ways we really aren't in that different of a spot as we were heading into 2008-09 other than at that point we had a bunch of returning players who were coming off a 16-16 season and hadn't really impressed and now we have a completely unknown roster. Like Mike Anderson's break through season I think Cuonzo needs to actually have a good season this year, not just surprise people by not being as terrible and irrelevant as they expect.

Edited by FIJItiger at 08:23:27 on 08/17/21
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SEC preview - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 07:05:13
     The big outrage...no. 3 in bb recruiting is ALABAMA. I - GA Tiger MU - 8/17 09:21:30
          They hired a good coach and made being competitive - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:25:50
               Have you seen their budget? - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:34:19
                    how much did they invest? link? (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/17 09:40:12
                         Start with total overall spending - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 10:01:39
                              that doesn't clarify anything. what are they spending on - phrejd MU - 8/17 10:07:55
                                   You have a category they spend more on it - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 10:11:33
                                        yeah. severance. - phrejd MU - 8/17 10:14:59
                                             They did that also - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 10:20:33
                                                  right. so we should pay the buyout asap if - phrejd MU - 8/17 10:30:28
                                                       No Mizzou isn’t. Both are still spending - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 10:33:39
                                                            i guess that's the disconnect. both paid big buyouts and - phrejd MU - 8/17 11:28:56
                                                                 It’s millions between them and Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 11:32:19
                                                                      no it isn't. do you even read your own posts? (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/17 11:56:41
                                                                           Yes it is. Even if you exclude the buyout numbers - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 12:04:13
                                                                                See, that is a crazy and illogical assumption - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 12:40:47
                                                                                     So you think the AD is incompetent? - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 12:56:34
                                                                                          Do you think the AD can name his program's record and conf - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 13:20:17
                                                                                               That’s exactly how it works - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 13:39:47
                                                                                                    No, that is patently and completely false (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 14:02:34
                                                                                                    no they don't - phrejd MU - 8/17 13:44:36
                                                                                                         Not sure you understand what that is saying - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 13:50:09
                                                                                                              "Recruiting rankings and recruiting budgets go hand in hand" - phrejd MU - 8/17 13:52:10
                                                                                                                   That article said they did - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 14:00:09
                                                                                                                        no. try again (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/17 14:26:07
                                                                                          ^^ there's the illogical leap to a new topic (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/17 12:59:30
                                                                                               That was Fij thinking more spending - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 13:06:27
                                                                                     it's what he does. somehow alabama paying a $5.5M buyout - phrejd MU - 8/17 12:54:14
                                                                                why don't you list all SEC schools basketball expenses - phrejd MU - 8/17 12:13:36
                                                                                     I have posted links to that a few times already - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 12:19:44
                                                                                          link? (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/17 12:24:42
                                                                                               Yea I have posted the link multiple - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 12:32:00
                                                                                                    cool. can you point me to that link? - phrejd MU - 8/17 12:48:21
                                                                                                         Here it is again. There’s been some other links as well - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 13:05:18
                                                                                                              those numbers don't match up. you posted earlier in this - phrejd MU - 8/17 13:43:57
                                                                                                                   Different years (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 13:50:30
                                                                                                                        so $1M increase in budget was the difference between - phrejd MU - 8/17 14:31:20
                                                                                                                             Are you spending it on the right things? - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 14:50:58
                    No, I don't care about budgets. That isn't part of the fan - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:36:17
                         Look it up. If Mizzou was willing - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:38:47
                              Pass. That isn't interesting or relevant to me (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:39:36
                                   So you want Mizzou to prioritize being competitive but don't - tgr MU - 8/17 09:42:35
                                        I'm not an AD fan. I know that isn't a major driver in - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:45:47
                                        he said he didn't care about budgets, not that he doesn't - phrejd MU - 8/17 09:45:36
     MU hasn't been relative since they joined the SEC. nm - BandG MU - 8/17 08:34:50
          We were the first season, 2012-13.And there were a few weeks - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 08:41:09
     We make men out of boys - Diamond Dave MU - 8/17 08:26:58
          Do we though? - phrejd MU - 8/17 08:29:13
               It was sarcastic. There's really nothing overly positive - Diamond Dave MU - 8/17 08:45:28
                    Wow already calling for the AD to be fired - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:03:21
                         Fine with both. However if she extends CM and the - Diamond Dave MU - 8/17 11:16:39
                              The only coach that really matters for the AD is football - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 12:06:23
               and Pinson quit on his team the last 5 games of the - NWMizzouFan NWMSU - 8/17 08:31:34
     And year 5 of Cuonzo is underway… - Lerxst MU - 8/17 07:31:51
          Yeah, seeing something like that really shows how his - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/17 07:59:39
               Here is my angle at potential optimism - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 08:12:40
                    Not sure about the PG and center part, but - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/17 09:00:46
                         Agree, its completely improbable but at least plausible - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:14:12
                    PG and center struggled last season? - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 08:23:38
                         oh I forgot: JT was "one of best bigs in country" - LamarFrazier MU - 8/17 09:30:03
                         Yes, but its all relative. Like I said I don't think those - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 08:29:03
                              The real weaknesses of his teams have been the - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 08:43:34
                                   But that is neither valid or a reason for optimism - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 08:46:59
                                        If you want optimism it has to be around those positions - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:00:40
                                             The specific players don't really matter to me - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:10:07
                                                  Only Mizzou fans do that (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:13:09
                                                       Do what, hold out hope for optimism? - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:15:55
                                                            Think a guy doesn’t know anything about - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:20:01
                                                                 Disagree, many fanbases do that - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:23:52
                                                                      He hasn’t spent the last 20 years coaching either - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:28:58
                                                                           Kim absolutely failed because he was a bad coach (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/17 09:35:06
                                             I tend to agree, but I think it has everything to do with - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/17 09:03:32
                                                  I think it’s both positions - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/17 09:08:33
                                                       Fair point. Last year, when we were productive at - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/17 09:29:48
     That’s because Cuonzo can’t recruit. Pretty simple - Carlos Rossi KC - 8/17 07:23:08
     It is depressing that we aren't mentioned anywhere in the - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/17 07:14:38




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