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I don't quarrel with that. That was not my point.

Posted on: November 17, 2020 at 11:43:07 CT
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My point assumes that the govt. has "shut down" the economy for some period of time, and the consequences of inaction in that setting. And those consequences would have been catastrophic.
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The similarities between a potential govt-enforced - ummmm MU - 11/17 10:59:13
     Would you ratther have had the economy fail w/out relief - raskolnikov MU - 11/17 12:38:45
          always with emotions and logical fallacies - pickle MU - 11/17 12:53:12
     One really big difference - *M* KC - 11/17 11:37:43
          That's nothing but rhetoric appealing to the emotional (nm) - Sal MU - 11/17 11:48:29
               I'm not trying to appeal to anything or anyone - *M* KC - 11/17 12:00:56
                    "millions of people been unable to feed their families" - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:06:10
                         No, it is a statement of fact. It may be a fact which - *M* KC - 11/17 12:08:36
                              it’s a logical fallacy (nm) - pickle MU - 11/17 12:24:29
                                   No. You don't know a logical fallacy when you see one(nm) - *M* KC - 11/17 12:26:56
                              no it isn't (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:10:15
                                   GFY(nm) - *M* KC - 11/17 12:13:31
                                        lol (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:23:29
          That's not a difference at all. The same feel good, save - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:47:20
               It's a huge diffference in the consequences of inaction - *M* KC - 11/17 12:07:51
          The COVID relief program wouldn't be needed if the gov't - Eggs MU - 11/17 11:40:03
               I don't quarrel with that. That was not my point. - *M* KC - 11/17 11:43:07
     I would say this comparison misses on one key area - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:05:44
          The government money - meatiger MU - 11/17 12:16:21
          That makes them totally different, but ummm is trying to - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:17:30
               Can you explain this one? - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:23:12
                    Wow, really? You need this explained to you? - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:28:35
                         not a single person was forced to open a business (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:30:33
                              No but they were forced to close them. Opening a business - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:33:34
                                   every business? - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:34:58
                                        You are right. Every business operating on razor thin - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:38:57
                                             straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 11/17 11:40:50
                              But opening a business gives the hope of a better life - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:31:40
                                   lol... poor DHighlander (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:33:02
                         That doesn't explain your sentence. It just draws the same - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:30:23
                              No direct government intervention caused the problem. - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:32:51
                                   Are you talking about student loans or COVID? - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:33:40
                                        The government made student loans easy to get but no - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:37:11
                                             The government/federal reserve has made business loans - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:51:14
               you probably want to sit this one out - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:21:56
                    You probably want to sit this one out. You are too stupid - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:23:09
                         I understand everything far more than you ever will - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:24:44
                              It is self-evident that you are a complete f-ing moron. - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:30:25
                                   wow (nm) - pickle MU - 11/17 11:40:13
                                   you could have just said "No, I still don't know what it - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:31:24
                                        No I made you look stupid. Because self-evident is either - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:35:40
                                             now you're doubling down and looking twice as stupid (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:41:07
               I don't disagree colleges make it easy to make bad decisions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:20:24
                    I agree. But when students default on those loans the - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:25:21
          The government compelled no one to start a small business. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:11:39
               But starting the business was not the root cause of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:13:18
                    The root cause of both hardships is govt. - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:17:03
                         But the cause of each issue was not starting a business or - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:18:44
                              It is completely different but you will never get ummm to - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:22:05
                                   I know you don't operate in the business world and you live - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:27:13
                                        that's what dishonest people do - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:30:10
                                   "Many did not have the resources to survive that" - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:24:17
                                   I know - it is obvious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:23:47
                                   nobody forced them to open a business (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:22:59
                              I know. I literally just said that the cause of each issue - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:21:56
                                   When you are a relatively new business, you don't have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:26:20
                                        Okay, so that's one minor sliver. - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:28:23
                                             I almost feel sorry for you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:37:37
                                                  This post by you is akin to a laydown. No substance - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:52:01
                                                       I mean it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:55:14
                                                            you are missing the point entirely (nm) - pickle MU - 11/17 11:58:04
                                                            nobody forced anyone to open a business - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:56:39
                                                            Did anyone force businesses or commercial landlords to take - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:55:55
                                                                 No, but with college the issue is directly the loan you took - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:59:39
                                                                      so if a student took out a loan with promises of a big - ashtray UF - 11/17 12:05:47
                                        then they should have waited until they had more capital - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:27:06
          read up on the austrian business cycle theory - pickle MU - 11/17 11:08:39
          failure to save for unexpected closure - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:07:02
               That is fair argument - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:10:50
                    Yes, it does. Bad decision-making bailed out by govt - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:13:10
                         I don't think my neighbor who lost his restaurant made bad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:14:50
                              Did he support trump?(nm) - Toger STL - 11/17 11:26:25
                    it's directly refutes your comparison (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:12:30
                         The difference with ummm's original comparison remains - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:16:08
                              nothing flawed about his comparison at all (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:20:27
                                   Ask yourself what caused the financial hardship in each - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:21:43
                                        wrong - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:23:53
                                             Two weeks of being closed? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:27:12
                                                  when the stimulus was passed, yes - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:28:36
                                                       Good grief - you aren't even being serious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:32:32
                                                            2 weeks to flatten the curve! - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:34:03
                                                       Major backtrack here(nm) - tman MU - 11/17 11:30:48
                                                            Sometimes with the stupid gets thick - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:33:09
                                                            yes, he's trying to backtrack and it's obvious (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:31:48
     Where does it end? What if college graduates cannot - TigerMatt STL - 11/17 11:03:47
     yep - pickle MU - 11/17 11:01:44




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