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The root cause of both hardships is govt.

Posted on: November 17, 2020 at 11:17:03 CT

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College was affordable before govt stuck its hand into it.

In both instances, though, bad decision making (whether it was not saving or setting aside resources to weather a downturn or taking on debt without firm prospects to make enough an repay) is then being bailed out by govt.

Regardless, no one forced anyone to start a business or to go to college.

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The similarities between a potential govt-enforced - ummmm MU - 11/17 10:59:13

Would you ratther have had the economy fail w/out relief - raskolnikov MU - 11/17 12:38:45

always with emotions and logical fallacies - pickle MU

- 11/17 12:53:12

One really big difference - *M* KC - 11/17 11:37:43

That's nothing but rhetoric appealing to the emotional (nm) - Sal MU

- 11/17 11:48:29

I'm not trying to appeal to anything or anyone - *M* KC - 11/17 12:00:56

"millions of people been unable to feed their families" - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:06:10

No, it is a statement of fact. It may be a fact which - *M* KC - 11/17 12:08:36

it’s a logical fallacy (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 12:24:29

No. You don't know a logical fallacy when you see one(nm) - *M* KC - 11/17 12:26:56

no it isn't (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:10:15

GFY(nm) - *M* KC - 11/17 12:13:31

lol (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:23:29

That's not a difference at all. The same feel good, save - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:47:20

It's a huge diffference in the consequences of inaction - *M* KC - 11/17 12:07:51

The COVID relief program wouldn't be needed if the gov't - Eggs MU - 11/17 11:40:03

I don't quarrel with that. That was not my point. - *M* KC - 11/17 11:43:07

I would say this comparison misses on one key area - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:05:44

The government money - meatiger MU - 11/17 12:16:21

That makes them totally different, but ummm is trying to - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:17:30

Can you explain this one? - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:23:12

Wow, really? You need this explained to you? - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:28:35

not a single person was forced to open a business (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:30:33

No but they were forced to close them. Opening a business - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:33:34

every business? - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:34:58

You are right. Every business operating on razor thin - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:38:57

straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:40:50

But opening a business gives the hope of a better life - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:31:40

lol... poor DHighlander (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:33:02

That doesn't explain your sentence. It just draws the same - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:30:23

No direct government intervention caused the problem. - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:32:51

Are you talking about student loans or COVID? - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:33:40

The government made student loans easy to get but no - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:37:11

The government/federal reserve has made business loans - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:51:14

you probably want to sit this one out - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:21:56

You probably want to sit this one out. You are too stupid - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:23:09

I understand everything far more than you ever will - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:24:44

It is self-evident that you are a complete f-ing moron. - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:30:25

wow (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:40:13

you could have just said "No, I still don't know what it - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:31:24

No I made you look stupid. Because self-evident is either - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:35:40

now you're doubling down and looking twice as stupid (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:41:07

I don't disagree colleges make it easy to make bad decisions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:20:24

I agree. But when students default on those loans the - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:25:21

The government compelled no one to start a small business. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:11:39

But starting the business was not the root cause of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:13:18

The root cause of both hardships is govt. - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:17:03

But the cause of each issue was not starting a business or - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:18:44

It is completely different but you will never get ummm to - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:22:05

I know you don't operate in the business world and you live - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:27:13

that's what dishonest people do - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:30:10

"Many did not have the resources to survive that" - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:24:17

I know - it is obvious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:23:47

nobody forced them to open a business (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:22:59

I know. I literally just said that the cause of each issue - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:21:56

When you are a relatively new business, you don't have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:26:20

Okay, so that's one minor sliver. - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:28:23

I almost feel sorry for you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:37:37

This post by you is akin to a laydown. No substance - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:52:01

I mean it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:55:14

you are missing the point entirely (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:58:04

nobody forced anyone to open a business - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:56:39

Did anyone force businesses or commercial landlords to take - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:55:55

No, but with college the issue is directly the loan you took - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:59:39

so if a student took out a loan with promises of a big - ashtray UF - 11/17 12:05:47

then they should have waited until they had more capital - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:27:06

read up on the austrian business cycle theory - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:08:39

failure to save for unexpected closure - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:07:02

That is fair argument - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:10:50

Yes, it does. Bad decision-making bailed out by govt - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:13:10

I don't think my neighbor who lost his restaurant made bad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:14:50

Did he support trump?(nm) - Toger STL - 11/17 11:26:25

it's directly refutes your comparison (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:12:30

The difference with ummm's original comparison remains - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:16:08

nothing flawed about his comparison at all (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:20:27

Ask yourself what caused the financial hardship in each - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:21:43

wrong - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:23:53

Two weeks of being closed? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:27:12

when the stimulus was passed, yes - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:28:36

Good grief - you aren't even being serious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:32:32

2 weeks to flatten the curve! - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:34:03

Major backtrack here(nm) - tman MU - 11/17 11:30:48

Sometimes with the stupid gets thick - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:33:09

yes, he's trying to backtrack and it's obvious (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:31:48

Where does it end? What if college graduates cannot - TigerMatt STL - 11/17 11:03:47

yep - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:01:44