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I would say this comparison misses on one key area

Posted on: November 17, 2020 at 11:05:44 CT

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The government compelled no one to go to college, take out loans, etc. Those were purely voluntary choices. The closing down of businesses was done by fiat and through no wrong doing or poor decision making of any business. That is not an insignificant difference.

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The similarities between a potential govt-enforced - ummmm MU - 11/17 10:59:13

Would you ratther have had the economy fail w/out relief - raskolnikov MU - 11/17 12:38:45

always with emotions and logical fallacies - pickle MU

- 11/17 12:53:12

One really big difference - *M* KC - 11/17 11:37:43

That's nothing but rhetoric appealing to the emotional (nm) - Sal MU

- 11/17 11:48:29

I'm not trying to appeal to anything or anyone - *M* KC - 11/17 12:00:56

"millions of people been unable to feed their families" - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:06:10

No, it is a statement of fact. It may be a fact which - *M* KC - 11/17 12:08:36

it’s a logical fallacy (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 12:24:29

No. You don't know a logical fallacy when you see one(nm) - *M* KC - 11/17 12:26:56

no it isn't (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:10:15

GFY(nm) - *M* KC - 11/17 12:13:31

lol (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/17 12:23:29

That's not a difference at all. The same feel good, save - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:47:20

It's a huge diffference in the consequences of inaction - *M* KC - 11/17 12:07:51

The COVID relief program wouldn't be needed if the gov't - Eggs MU - 11/17 11:40:03

I don't quarrel with that. That was not my point. - *M* KC - 11/17 11:43:07

I would say this comparison misses on one key area - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:05:44

The government money - meatiger MU - 11/17 12:16:21

That makes them totally different, but ummm is trying to - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:17:30

Can you explain this one? - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:23:12

Wow, really? You need this explained to you? - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:28:35

not a single person was forced to open a business (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:30:33

No but they were forced to close them. Opening a business - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:33:34

every business? - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:34:58

You are right. Every business operating on razor thin - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:38:57

straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:40:50

But opening a business gives the hope of a better life - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:31:40

lol... poor DHighlander (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:33:02

That doesn't explain your sentence. It just draws the same - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:30:23

No direct government intervention caused the problem. - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:32:51

Are you talking about student loans or COVID? - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:33:40

The government made student loans easy to get but no - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:37:11

The government/federal reserve has made business loans - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:51:14

you probably want to sit this one out - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:21:56

You probably want to sit this one out. You are too stupid - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:23:09

I understand everything far more than you ever will - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:24:44

It is self-evident that you are a complete f-ing moron. - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:30:25

wow (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:40:13

you could have just said "No, I still don't know what it - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:31:24

No I made you look stupid. Because self-evident is either - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:35:40

now you're doubling down and looking twice as stupid (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:41:07

I don't disagree colleges make it easy to make bad decisions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:20:24

I agree. But when students default on those loans the - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:25:21

The government compelled no one to start a small business. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:11:39

But starting the business was not the root cause of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:13:18

The root cause of both hardships is govt. - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:17:03

But the cause of each issue was not starting a business or - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:18:44

It is completely different but you will never get ummm to - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/17 11:22:05

I know you don't operate in the business world and you live - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:27:13

that's what dishonest people do - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:30:10

"Many did not have the resources to survive that" - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:24:17

I know - it is obvious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:23:47

nobody forced them to open a business (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:22:59

I know. I literally just said that the cause of each issue - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:21:56

When you are a relatively new business, you don't have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:26:20

Okay, so that's one minor sliver. - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:28:23

I almost feel sorry for you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:37:37

This post by you is akin to a laydown. No substance - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:52:01

I mean it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:55:14

you are missing the point entirely (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:58:04

nobody forced anyone to open a business - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:56:39

Did anyone force businesses or commercial landlords to take - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:55:55

No, but with college the issue is directly the loan you took - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:59:39

so if a student took out a loan with promises of a big - ashtray UF - 11/17 12:05:47

then they should have waited until they had more capital - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:27:06

read up on the austrian business cycle theory - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:08:39

failure to save for unexpected closure - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:07:02

That is fair argument - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:10:50

Yes, it does. Bad decision-making bailed out by govt - ummmm MU - 11/17 11:13:10

I don't think my neighbor who lost his restaurant made bad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:14:50

Did he support trump?(nm) - Toger STL - 11/17 11:26:25

it's directly refutes your comparison (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:12:30

The difference with ummm's original comparison remains - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:16:08

nothing flawed about his comparison at all (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:20:27

Ask yourself what caused the financial hardship in each - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:21:43

wrong - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:23:53

Two weeks of being closed? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:27:12

when the stimulus was passed, yes - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:28:36

Good grief - you aren't even being serious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:32:32

2 weeks to flatten the curve! - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:34:03

Major backtrack here(nm) - tman MU - 11/17 11:30:48

Sometimes with the stupid gets thick - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/17 11:33:09

yes, he's trying to backtrack and it's obvious (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/17 11:31:48

Where does it end? What if college graduates cannot - TigerMatt STL - 11/17 11:03:47

yep - pickle MU

- 11/17 11:01:44