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The nature of the universe. God or no god? - JeffB MU

- 12/20 18:56:32

lol (nm) - pickle MU

- 12/21 08:09:37

Your lack of ability &/or will to engage in a thoughtful, - JeffB MU

- 12/21 11:00:38

Arguments for the Existence of God... (Peter Kreeft) - JeffB MU

- 12/20 21:06:26

Let's look at the resurrection argument. How many - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 21:28:13

Many current scholars believe that St. John did indeed - JeffB MU

- 12/20 22:06:42

A lawyer? Who cares? There are also New Testament scholars - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 22:15:37

My point was that as a lawyer he felt that the evidence - JeffB MU

- 12/20 22:16:47

And my point is a man who studied to be a preacher - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 22:31:18

Do you know his name, or better yet have a link to his story - JeffB MU

- 12/21 10:18:45

IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS A BIG BANG - tigerfans3 MU - 12/20 20:57:04

No. The big bang was the beginning of our visible - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 21:33:36

I believe you are wrong...we will all find out one way or - Logan BAMA - 12/20 21:03:54

Is God not but of a variety of interpretations of the Energy - raskolnikov MU - 12/20 20:25:23

that's utter horsecock. "god is energy"? so when "god" - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:50:15

On what basis is the connection of a god and energy - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:38:24

no, because all of the "proof" in the Bible wouldn't - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:56:24

Nm - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 21:08:48

there as many and diverse a field of gods as there are - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:30:19

There used to even be family Deities. Each family had their - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 21:32:00

man needs gods to fill voids, as you know, matt. the only - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:35:06

believe what you want - Ferg STL - 12/20 20:00:14

Please expound. Do you believe that there is no God? - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:11:29

I'm saying your post is based on your religious beliefs - Ferg STL - 12/20 21:03:25

What are your own beliefs? What are they based upon? - JeffB MU

- 12/21 12:18:32

Evidence of God from Contemporary Science & Philosophy - JeffB MU

- 12/20 21:08:45

so you post a link from a religious organization - Ferg STL - 12/20 21:17:24

"believe there is no god" is like saying "believe there - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:41:37

A couple of points... 1. We can and should examine the - JeffB MU

- 12/20 21:46:44

Logic and reason are nice. But most of the arguments - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 21:56:08

I don't have time to discuss, but am unclear about a - JeffB MU

- 12/20 22:13:45

What a convenient deflection and cop-out, since - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:15:26

Are we not and is the cosmos not defined by pulsing - raskolnikov MU - 12/20 20:27:21

so magically you translate energy to "god" and give i - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:45:37

I could just as well, and convincingly, said that my - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:33:18

He said that 'there is absolutely nothing in your post that - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:22:49

I may have misunderstood your point there.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:27:21

ok, thanks for letting me know. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:31:42

RE: The nature of the universe. God or no god? - MOCO SON MU - 12/20 19:49:35

you actually get it. I can at least respect that you accept - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:55:23

I would say that faith is involved, but that it is in - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:17:31

Nm - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 20:36:13

Man can come to the conclusion through reason & philosophy - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:46:23

so it isn't faith now? lmfao (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:51:21

The grace of faith is absolutely necessary. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 12/20 21:09:50

so...is it free will or does God give me the grace of - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:30:51

It is not an either or proposition, but a both and one. We - JeffB MU

- 12/21 10:21:02

Nm - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 20:47:50

Not if our definition of the universe is all existence. - JeffB MU

- 12/20 21:11:57

That's the point. You assume there was an absolute - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 21:17:09

and scientists who dispute the plausibility of those models - JeffB MU

- 12/20 22:19:31

no, if science ever shows that, the paradigm / myth will - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:51:57

The Kalam Cosmological argument is so stupid. - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 21:02:01

if a single one of them had a sliver of actual faith, they - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:02:52

that's rubbish. it's either faith or it's not jeff. is it - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:20:59

I think belief in God is something one can arrive at with - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:30:54

then why do you call it faith? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:34:56

All that we can know by reason is that 'there is a God': - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:49:01

Jeff, Jesus or not there is no self-revelation, other - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 21:04:02

You are making a presupposition there that is a false one - JeffB MU

- 12/20 21:16:27

do you "believe" or "have faith" - you keep slipping (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:31:33

It is not an either or proposition, but a both/and one: - JeffB MU

- 12/21 10:22:24

who is "we"? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:52:42

Human beings... humanity. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 12/21 11:01:12

You blew up any kind of argument by using the word "reason". - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:34:45

I have to assume that you believe either that reason & faith - JeffB MU

- 12/21 10:26:36

Ok, what is the reason. And how - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:20:08

On the other hand, it seems that you judge my beliefs - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:14:08

your beliefs don't make you #hitty, the judging and - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:19:31

The beliefs are the CORE issue here. As you say, you are - JeffB MU

- 12/21 10:57:38

Do you realize that virtually all - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 19:53:55

Everyone agrees that belief in God is based upon faith. But - DHighlander NWMSU - 12/20 20:00:09

lmfao. why is not believing in something an act of faith. - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:22:01

By chance or not we'll never know. Fact. So to - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:05:23

Margarita #2? (nm) - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/20 19:56:27

Nope. Decided to give it up for a beer and port. - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 19:59:20

you're off the rails, that isn't faith and is utterly absurd - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:55:54

RE: The nature of the universe. God or no god? - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:27:30

That argument is a false dichotomy. - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 19:25:54

I can believe there is a god. However, what - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 19:20:28

'The Problem of Evil' is probably the strongest argument - JeffB MU

- 12/20 20:08:44

Nm - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 20:43:56

We all have beliefs. Unfortunately, some of those beliefs - JeffB MU

- 12/21 11:09:34

there isn't an argument against god. I don't need one. - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:39:26

This is a binary question. You must choose one or the other - JeffB MU

- 12/21 11:30:22

I think you're unaware what your words reflect. - Macgrantt MU - 12/20 20:06:40

Ok. What do they reflect? Such a powerful force - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:11:53

GAT to not believe is then to conclude everything is random - Macgrantt MU - 12/20 20:21:42

false dichotomy and straw man - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:54:03

And to prove it has not been for eternity is - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:47:39

How can one be angry at something you think doesnt exist? - Macgrantt MU - 12/20 19:54:52

I don't see that I expressed anger, or disappointment, at - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 20:01:54

So you believe you know what God should be. (nm) - Logan BAMA - 12/20 19:45:29

No, since I could not possibly know what such a - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 19:51:10

Since you believe it's invented what you say is rational - Logan BAMA - 12/20 20:15:06

that isn't belief nor faith, that's history to you. You poi - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:47:16

I have faith because of what was written...as it was - Logan BAMA - 12/20 21:00:25

no offense, but that's like saying you have faith that - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:03:45

The words I read...strengthened my faith which I gained - Logan BAMA - 12/20 21:13:35

you had no faith before words whether written or spoken - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:33:13

It is biblical that fathers teach their children. - Logan BAMA - 12/20 21:42:42

that isn't faith, that's education (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:01:41

So for someone who is a non-believer...you seem to - Logan BAMA - 12/20 21:26:47

First, let's establish that your argument is essentiall - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 21:38:27

So...if I say I believe the bible is the word of god - Logan BAMA - 12/20 21:47:11

much more rational than the alternative, to be sure. And yet - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:54:35

lol, is that what he said? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:48:02

Do you have children? - MNTIGER MU - 12/20 19:34:56

by free will you mean, if I don't do X and Y and believe - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:44:30

RE: by free will you mean, if I don't do X and Y and believe - MNTIGER MU - 12/20 20:22:08

well, by all means, explain this "free" will lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:35:45

RE: Do you have children? - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 19:40:36

RE: Do you have children? - MNTIGER MU - 12/20 20:20:57

YOU MUST SUFFER! - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:45:06

Do we have free will? - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 19:38:35

vengeful, flawed, spiteful, thoughtless, indifferent, - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:29:08

I may have misunderstood your point there.(nm)

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