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The problem is the failure to expose the fallacies of the

Posted on: November 3, 2019 at 14:12:19 CT
MizzouTigerz MU
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magic boxes with demonstrable certainty in front of the Courts, and the unwillingness to make the certified testers account for the anomalies in the test results including, but not limited to the graphs. There is also the inability of some of the machines to differentiate between ethyl alcohol and other alcohol. These address the foundational supposition of credibility/reliability of the test, without even getting to the issue of proper administration.
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Drunk Driving and Fake Science - pickle MU - 11/3 13:28:10
     I happen to know a couple - Iam4Mizzou MU - 11/3 15:35:44
          yep. Matt touched on that below (nm) - pickle MU - 11/3 15:51:22
     I confess to only reading a third of that. But, I will - jonesin - 11/3 14:44:14
          I would propose this as a first - meatiger MU - 11/3 15:29:51
               I would agree but that would also force localities to fully - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 15:43:50
                    I do, the question is do you actually read posts before - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 16:04:36
                         so you justify pulling people over - meatiger MU - 11/3 17:04:43
                         Tigggrrr said the police get nothing. Which is it? nm - jonesin - 11/3 16:09:02
                    Do you actually ever think - meatiger MU - 11/3 15:47:53
          It's ALL about police state control AND revenue. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/3 15:09:06
               Yeah, that's it. A cash cow for the legal system.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 15:11:42
                    It is a huge cash cow for the legal system - meatiger MU - 11/3 15:31:17
                         Police don't get a dime from fines or court costs.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 15:56:50
                              LOL - meatiger MU - 11/3 17:03:10
                                   Not from fines or forfeitures. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 17:09:12
                                        well..the city gets it - meatiger MU - 11/3 17:16:58
                                             It is not earmarked for police(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 17:34:58
                                                  Recoupment. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/3 19:52:31
                                                  God damnn - meatiger MU - 11/3 17:42:55
                                                       Your dream. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 17:45:30
                              No Tgggggrr. You guys are just the muscle. I mean you - jonesin - 11/3 16:00:15
                         You can argue that it is needed or not. You cannot really - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 15:42:08
                              that’s not the argument (nm) - pickle MU - 11/3 15:50:41
                                   Do you drink and drive?(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 16:06:59
                              If there is zero sign of impairment - meatiger MU - 11/3 15:46:47
                    Read for Detail. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/3 15:12:29
               It's all about police state control and revenue (nm) - pickle MU - 11/3 15:10:07
                    For the slow learners, again, this is false. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/3 15:11:25
                         it isn’t false (nm) - pickle MU - 11/3 15:11:49
     "you want our children to be killed by drunk drivers" and "y - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:29:05
          Drunk driving is a hazard, we should not wait until they - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 14:40:07
               how about you test folks after they've actually committed - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:44:00
                    That is idiotic. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 14:56:50
                         Actually it's not idiotic...but you're a police state joke - mizzoumurfkc KC - 11/3 15:28:57
                              Ok - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 16:04:38
                                   And those are extremes. Fine. Nail them. Leave folks - jonesin - 11/3 16:12:23
                                        No one harmed in any of those - pickle MU - 11/3 16:56:22
                                             Because they were taken off the road before they had a - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 17:07:00
                                        Those are typical drunk driving arrests. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 16:26:37
                                             They weren't speeding.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/3 18:15:11
                                                  No. The guy running down the highway on a rim - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 18:40:01
                         Who said wait to stop someone? I said wait to test - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 15:00:09
                              You don't. You use your observations and field sobriety tes - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 15:06:07
                    Because it is stupid! If a cop sees someone driving - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 14:50:29
                         The ticket people for driving erratically and keep the magic - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:51:52
                              That is fine by me. Or at least prove that the box was - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 14:56:44
                                   Except the "box" changes it from a - meatiger MU - 11/3 15:56:31
                                   The box, and operators, gets tested regularly by samples - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 14:59:19
                                        lmfao. You should have stopped at 11 words. (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 15:00:50
                                             Why bother to test and certify any piece of equipment? - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 15:07:17
               Strip searches are the only way to be sure.(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/3 14:41:13
               Guns are a hazard, we shouldn't wait until someone uses - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:41:13
                    A properly used gun is no more dangerous than a properly - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 14:45:06
                         You've proven you're comfortable abdicating rights in - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:49:00
                              No you are a stupid f*ck who believes in absolutes like - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 14:54:25
                                   “You do not have a right...” is an absolute (nm) - pickle MU - 11/3 15:02:31
                                   If you understood even the basic tenets of rights, you'd - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:57:23
     The whole criminal forensic "science" field is a fraud. - TigerMatt STL - 11/3 14:22:30
          You left out bite mark evidence.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 14:59:51
          So I'm wasting my time watching "Forensic Files"?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 11/3 14:29:04
               Yes the field is rigged to get the convictions they want and - TigerMatt STL - 11/3 14:38:13
     The problem is the failure to expose the fallacies of the - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/3 14:12:19
          the problem is the power of the gvmt (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:30:56
          How? The way the tests are done there is no way for the - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 14:18:34
               False. - MizzouTigerz MU - 11/3 14:35:30
                    But why does the defense have to prove there is a problem? - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 14:42:48
                         oh holy crap you're thick (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:47:43
     There is a strong case for poverty that links to dangerous - Freeglider USA - 11/3 14:10:31
     There's a post I'll go along with. The more - GA Tiger MU - 11/3 14:01:32
     Retrograde extrapolation is the funniest - gmmm98 MU - 11/3 13:56:04
     Drunk driving laws are not about making the roads safer. - DHighlander NWMSU - 11/3 13:51:18
          Get stopped at a checkpoint and be subject to an - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 11/3 14:40:55
     But it’s easy to arrest drinkers - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/3 13:50:43
     tl:dr - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 13:42:06
          we know, you're capable of about 11 words at a time, and - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:29:59
               Good deal. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/3 14:34:31
                    That's a good start! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/3 14:44:28




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