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Nobody has said that. What has been questioned is if that

Posted on: July 10, 2018 at 06:37:32 CT
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idea might have applied in the specific case of Gordon.

Every day, at every level of coaching, guys make decisions about putting up with one player's baggage and not putting up with another's.

FIJI, accurately and reasonably, suggests that Gordon's issues may have kept Martin at bay. It has been discussed on here at length prior to today and especially during the period when pretty much everyone thought Gordon was looking to ditch SLU and that MU was the favorite. So, in this case, the "we didn't want him anyway" schtick is not a hindsight issue. There were questions along the way.

Now, you can try to take the discussion about 1 or 2 kids and make a blanket statement about "CM doesn't recruit players who have attitude issues" if you want, but you're the one who looks silly making that leap.
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Missouri talent - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 12:08:02
     Thanks for reminding me of that. Will do some research - quicksand MU - 7/9 20:35:03
     If MU had landed their pick of MO kids and only MO kids - alwaysright MU - 7/9 16:37:57
          Recruiting just Missouri kids is a bad idea but - wu-tangtiger MU - 7/9 23:37:15
               Key word is "Just" - KC rules MU - 7/10 23:21:03
               Of course it's a bad idea but there are MU fans who talk - alwaysright MU - 7/10 06:29:21
                    Hypothetically unfeasible - thicks - 7/10 16:05:06
                         That's the unfeasible part you pull out if that - alwaysright MU - 7/10 16:25:46
                              Yes. What am I supposed to find unfeasible? Show me. (nm) - thicks - 7/10 16:30:35
                                   The entire thing is an unfeasible hypothetical. But - alwaysright MU - 7/10 22:31:41
                    RE: Of course it's a bad idea but there are MU fans who talk - Yawlneedhelp - 7/10 09:21:18
     If nothing else that should indicate that there is some - GA Tiger MU - 7/9 13:35:23
          The star system is pretty accurate but not infallible. - tgr MU - 7/9 15:29:41
               People who dismiss the star system are clueless. - alwaysright MU - 7/9 16:47:26
     It will never happen especially now with Ford and Tate in - MakeShift MU - 7/9 13:00:41
          Meh. The Post-Dispatch favors Mizzou over SLU - thicks - 7/9 23:41:08
               Not Gordon - MakeShift MU - 7/10 11:38:23
                    Jeff Gordon is but one voice at the P-D - thicks - 7/10 15:07:03
                         "More of a SLU fan" - MakeShift MU - 7/10 15:31:58
                              We disagree. Maybe we should leave it at that - thicks - 7/10 15:38:37
                                   That's cool - MakeShift MU - 7/10 15:56:17
                                        RE: "Gordon got Mizzou in trouble" - thicks - 7/10 16:00:09
          One of Alden's mistakes was putting Fuller on Kim's staff - alstl MU - 7/9 13:55:26
               Fuller is undefeated as an MU head coach. Nm - BandG MU - 7/9 17:31:17
                    Technically we vacated all of his 5 wins that season(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 17:35:19
               That few month period was the only bright spot of the Kim - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 15:48:31
                    I fail to see the logic behind some of your posts - Alden - alstl MU - 7/9 16:01:33
                         That is really weird isn't it - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 16:06:13
                              The NCAA wasn't investigating Haith/Fuller program? - alstl MU - 7/9 21:56:26
                                   Correct, that was fabricated - FIJItiger MU - 7/10 08:32:38
                                        Dude, you wear a tin hat! (nm) - thicks - 7/10 15:19:22
                                        LOL. My all-time favorite post of yours(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/10 13:51:14
                                             How can you pick just one?(nm) - sprintcar STL - 7/10 14:55:48
               The much bigger mistake was obviously hiring a coach that - tgr MU - 7/9 15:27:08
                    um if Cuanzo doesn't win a tourney game again this year - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 7/10 08:39:27
                         How many games into next season do you think it will take - tgr MU - 7/10 09:10:45
                              Why engage that buffoon? (nm) - thicks - 7/10 15:42:02
                              You can tell he's about lost it, the clown act and a few - tigersfan MU - 7/10 14:32:16
                              lol at least Kim could win a tourney game - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 7/10 09:25:59
                    Alden withheld the fact the NCAA was investigating Missouri - alstl MU - 7/9 16:15:51
                         That's the dumbest thing I've heard on TB, saying KA was the - tigersfan MU - 7/9 20:33:11
                         RE: Alden withheld the fact the NCAA was investigating Missouri - Yawlneedhelp - 7/9 17:40:43
                              RE: Alden withheld the fact the NCAA was investigating Missouri - Yawlneedhelp - 7/9 18:05:29
                              RE: Alden withheld the fact the NCAA was investigating Missouri - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 17:46:23
                                   RE: Alden withheld the fact the NCAA was investigating Missouri - Yawlneedhelp - 7/9 18:27:51
                         Why do you people keep repeating this lie? Ben Howland has - tgr MU - 7/9 16:22:03
                              +1 (nm) - zounami MU - 7/10 07:54:19
                              More like wouldn't get someone else. Nm - BandG MU - 7/9 17:33:55
                         Regarding Tate - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 16:21:44
                         Here is a list of potential candidates from the time: - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 16:18:18
                    100% true. Question on Quin Snyder. - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 15:33:59
                         Yes - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 15:50:18
                              Quin cooked his own ass by hiring Tony Harvey, Lane Odom, - alwaysright MU - 7/10 06:26:26
                              That's what I thought. Thanks(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 15:53:01
                                   Although to be clear, after Kareem committed - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 16:00:43
          How so versus Mizzou - longtimereader MU - 7/9 13:15:46
               They already have signed two players MU - MakeShift MU - 7/9 13:23:38
                    What 2 studs that Mizzou wanted since CM took over? - longtimereader MU - 7/9 13:28:51
                         Yeah, I'm not really seeing Mizzou losing tons of guys to - BOILERTIGER MU - 7/9 13:47:59
                              They are both studs - MakeShift MU - 7/9 13:58:38
                                   RE: They are both studs - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 15:45:04
                                        So, just to make sure I'm following this... - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 15:52:07
                                             Nobody has said that. What has been questioned is if that - alwaysright MU - 7/10 06:37:32
                                                  Gordon's "issues" - tjwheeler UI - 7/10 22:41:39
                                             The question is why wouldn't we be interested - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 16:03:05
                                                  I love the “we didn’t want him anyway” mantra.* - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 17:13:01
                                                       It's so old - MakeShift MU - 7/9 18:00:52
                                                       Well that isn't what I said - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 17:36:34
                                                            So, you don't know then. Ok(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/10 08:42:12
                                                                 Agree, I sourced someone else who appears to have insight(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/10 09:07:53
                                                                      Yeah, the highly credible random TB poster(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/10 13:19:50
                                                            Your disdain for SLU is akin to someone to being - MakeShift MU - 7/9 18:06:13
                                                                 I don't have disdain for SLU - FIJItiger MU - 7/10 08:36:50
                                                                      Now you contradict yourself. - thicks - 7/10 15:04:37
                                                                 From what I've read of his post he has a similar disdain for - longtimereader MU - 7/9 18:46:56
                                                                      Yes I despise SLU. But I also respect and fear them - MakeShift MU - 7/9 20:41:11
                                                                           He's arrogant about pretty much everything if you haven't - sprintcar STL - 7/10 09:01:12
                                                       While I agree with that and I smh at it also - longtimereader MU - 7/9 17:28:49
                                                            So where are they? - MakeShift MU - 7/9 20:39:16
                                                                 So because at this stage Hargrove committed to SLU - longtimereader MU - 7/9 21:42:07
                                                                      I agree. It's too early to worry about 2019 commitments. (nm) - thicks - 7/9 23:36:45
                                                            I can tell you SLU considers themselves a player with every - MakeShift MU - 7/9 18:02:08
                                                                 There's nothing wrong with them thinking that way. - longtimereader MU - 7/9 18:41:14
                                   Hargrove was supposedly a backup option that we were - tgr MU - 7/9 15:32:02
                                        I don't personally like the term backup because it almost - longtimereader MU - 7/9 18:53:56
                              Maybe true for Hargrove, but I think that's spin for Gordon - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:54:19
                                   The Porters did too go to high school in Missouri! - thicks - 7/9 23:18:05
                                        Not obtuse at all. - tjwheeler UI - 7/10 08:43:42
                                             Yes, definitely obtuse - thicks - 7/10 14:55:31
                                   Why not?? That spin - longtimereader MU - 7/9 14:17:01
                                        So, MU wouldn't want a Top 75 Center? - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 14:21:53
                                             There you go again - longtimereader MU - 7/9 14:43:26
                                                  You aren't reading what is typed. - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 14:58:02
                                   Let's ignore the KA era, shall we? No way KA was getting - Diamond Dave MU - 7/9 14:10:21
                                        While it likely was too late on Gordon... - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 14:16:34
                                   They already signed the guy from east St. Louis - MakeShift MU - 7/9 13:57:36
     If we would have recruited the 2003 class... - nitwittc3 MU - 7/9 12:56:30
     Go get the best players from wherever you can. Same ol' - Diamond Dave MU - 7/9 12:51:23
          You really need to get some of the elite in state talent - alwaysright MU - 7/9 16:44:59
          Ranking of MU signed recruits since 2000 (link) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 12:54:51
               A couple of things there I find interesting there - longtimereader MU - 7/9 13:07:24
               From Missouri (or just across the border in a Missouri town) - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 12:58:47
                    Sorry, East St Louis isn't in Missouri(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:05:29
                         No apologies necessary. Just clarifying for your list(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:06:12
                              Players from Missouri must play for a HS in Missouri. - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:09:26
                                   Guess we should include Gant then, since he graduated - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:13:22
                                        Sure. Graduating from a HS in Missouri does mean you're - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:14:34
                                             Gant is not from Missouri, he is from Georgia - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:15:48
                                                  You're wrong, of course. - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:21:15
                                                       Fine. But Tilmon is considered a local recruit by those - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:24:11
                                                            JT is not from Missouri. This isn't hard.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:24:36
                                                                 JT Tiller was from Georgia (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:26:24
                                                                      Cool. Let me know if you need a map of Missouri.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:27:09
                                   He is from St. Louis, thus a local kid - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:11:12
                                        Sorry, you either go to HS in the state or not. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:13:58
               Crazy to think that in the last 18 years, 3 out of - Yosa125 TAMU - 7/9 12:58:45
                    I'd like to see rankings of MU signed recruits since 2000(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:04:45
                         RE: I'd like to see rankings of MU signed recruits since 2000(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:05:40
                              That's not a list of consensus rankings of all MU players - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:08:43
                                   Sorry, pasted the wrong link. Try this one: - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:09:19
                                        Getting there. Now, we just need all MU players since 2000(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:10:29
                                             RE: Getting there. Now, we just need all MU players since 2000(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/9 13:11:46
                                                  Nope. Not helpful. - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:15:43
                              lol (nm) - Yosa125 TAMU - 7/9 13:07:22
     Locking down the borders isn't going to happen. - tgr MU - 7/9 12:43:53
     2011 was loaded (nm) - Mizzou_Fanatic12 MU - 7/9 12:23:32
          2010 on the other hand, was not (nm) - Yosa125 TAMU - 7/9 12:36:24
               or 2009 or 2008 - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 12:38:45
                    18, 19*, and 20 are all going to have multiple top 150s(nm) - Mizzou_Fanatic12 MU - 7/9 12:51:29
                         How many consensus Top 100 players though? - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 12:52:48
                              RE: How many consensus Top 100 players though? - StaleyTiger MU - 7/9 12:57:47
                                   Liddell is from Illinois, though. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:03:46
                                        Why i hedged on metro area for 19(nm) - Mizzou_Fanatic12 MU - 7/9 13:37:22
                                             But, you do make me wonder how Metro East stacks up - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:40:35
                              RE: How many consensus Top 100 players though? - Mizzou_Fanatic12 MU - 7/9 12:56:07
                                   Consensus Top 100 players by class: - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:03:06
                                   Point being at least for the last 4 and next 2 seasons - Mizzou_Fanatic12 MU - 7/9 13:00:01
                                        I'm not sure that's enough talent for a Top 25 team - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:06:02
                                   2015 - Mizzou_Fanatic12 MU - 7/9 12:57:56
                                        Only Whitt was consensus Top 100(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 13:07:04
                    So what you're saying is that the Talent level in Missouri - Yosa125 TAMU - 7/9 12:42:07
                         I don't think it's so much how good the talent level is - longtimereader MU - 7/9 14:32:42
                         Not sure. Based on those links it would appear - tjwheeler UI - 7/9 12:49:56




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