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Posted on: January 15, 2018 at 08:48:49 CT
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Frozen Embryos and Forced Procreation

By Mona Charen

The Supreme Court of Colorado will soon rule on whether a person has a constitutional right to not procreate. The dispute is between Drake Rooks and his ex-wife, Mandy Rooks. The couple were married in 2002. They had three children using in vitro fertilization, but were left with six frozen embryos. In 2014, they divorced. Now they are embroiled in a legal battle over what should become of those "snow babies." Mandy, 40, who reportedly always dreamed of having a large family, would like to use some or all of them to have more children. Drake, 50, says absolutely not. "It just seems like a guy should be able to decide whether he wants more children or not and with whom," he told the Denver Post.

Mandy counters, "No one has the right to tell me I have to kill my offspring." And what of the embryos' rights?

In 1978, Louise Brown, the first "test tube" baby, was born. Six years later, in 1984, the first child who had been a frozen embryo was brought safely to term. As often happens, technology developed faster than the social wisdom to handle it. At a time when family obligations were being overruled in favor of self-expression, the commodification of babies created new confusions. If abortion is a woman's constitutional right — what rights do fathers have? If a mother can independently decide to terminate a pregnancy, does she also have a constitutional right to initiate a pregnancy, or, more precisely, to finish one without his consent?

An estimated 1 million embryos are stored in liquid nitrogen in the United States. Not all are viable, but it's impossible to know which are and which aren't. Nor do we yet know how long an embryo can remain in that twilight state and still be brought to term.

Sofia Vergara, the actress best known for her role on "Modern Family," became a real-life symbol of the confusion besetting family lives when, in 2015, her ex-boyfriend Nick Loeb sued her for custody of two frozen embryos they had created together.

The original plan, apparently, was for the embryos to be carried to term by a surrogate mother and raised by Loeb and Vergara. But the relationship ran aground, and Loeb has pursued several lawsuits to gain custody of the embryos he has named Emma and Isabella. Vergara, who has since married someone else, wants them to remain frozen indefinitely. Loeb believes that the embryos are people. He is not asking for financial support from Vergara, merely that the embryos be entrusted to him. One of her lawyers offered a window into what has happened to the idea of family in our time. "If it is really a family that Loeb wants, he should hire a surrogate and an egg donor and create one without dragging Vergara through another unnecessary legal battle," said Fred Silberberg.

So much for love, marriage and baby carriage. Now it's single man, surrogate and egg donor. Romantic.

The lawyer for Drake Rooks argues, "It kind of runs against all decency — forcing a parent to have a child they don't want." Well, but when does that decision get made? At the time of sperm donation or at the time of embryo thawing? After all, when a man's wife becomes pregnant the usual way, he doesn't have standing to object a week or several months later that he no longer wishes to be a father. He is committed. Should it be different in cases of assisted reproduction?

IVF and related technologies were initially resisted by many in the pro-life camp. Some feared they would lead to "designer babies." That hasn't happened. The "Nobel Prize sperm bank," for example, went nowhere. People are not clamoring for brilliant gametes. They usually just want their own kids. The technology is sometimes used to cull embryos carrying genetic disorders, but for the most part, IVF brings great joy to otherwise infertile couples. The trouble comes when embryos are treated as disposable.

It isn't the technology that is dangerous, but indifference to the embryos' humanity. It is entirely possible to take advantage of modern science without sacrificing human dignity.
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Am interested in hearing conservatives thoughts on this. - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 08:48:49
     I'm not sure I qualify as conservative, but here's my take - o'lineydisciple MU - 1/15 11:12:28
          I agree with that. The turning point for me, for the - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 13:01:20
     lol the most exotic child support case ever. - justwinbaby KC - 1/15 10:30:48
     Thanks for asking - JG A - 1/15 09:35:24
          Agreed - Let her have them, if she chooses to bear children - tigerdb MU - 1/15 09:48:17
               There is a good chance this guy has something most here miss - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 10:00:00
                    yup (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:05:18
                    So you are in favor of abortion- check - JG A - 1/15 10:04:07
                         No, because I do not equate these embryos mass produced in - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 10:11:39
                              And that "problem" is totally self-induced. Its equivalent - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 10:16:48
                                   I see your problem here GaT, this is a moral issue. It is - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 10:24:23
                                        Is there anyone here who is able to tell me what - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 10:46:41
                                        How do you view letting the embryos just stay frozen - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:25:06
                                             Until implanted I do not view them as human life so I feel - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 10:36:24
                                                  I can understand that , but its just an arbitrary - JG A - 1/15 10:44:45
                                                       Not arbitrary at all. Can that embryo gestate and become a - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 11:34:25
                                                            You must have contemplated when that embryo - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 14:35:04
                                                            RE: Not arbitrary at all. Can that embryo gestate and become a - JG A - 1/15 11:46:14
                                                       RE: I can understand that , but its just an arbitrary - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:50:19
                                                            That doesn't contradict what I said in the least - JG A - 1/15 11:09:46
                              You are not in favor of abortion but abortion is needed - JG A - 1/15 10:13:23
                                   Since you struggle with reading comprehension I will try to - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 10:33:47
                                        So you are confused and hypocritical and you think - JG A - 1/15 10:46:01
                                             I am not confused you inbred imbecile. I am not in favor of - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 11:40:00
                                                  Correct. NOT seeing the other side is what makes - JG A - 1/15 11:47:13
                                   you're an idiot (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:18:31
                                        LOL yeah I'm the idiot - JG A - 1/15 10:20:33
                                             Finally a post I can agree with from you (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:24:32
                         If one takes that point of view then why not go the next - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 10:08:42
                         thanks Spanky (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:05:32
                              So if both sides agree something should not be born - JG A - 1/15 10:09:03
                                   False premise. Neither side intended for every embryo - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:19:26
                                        I see you are unfamiliar with JG’s posting history. That is - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 10:37:50
                                             Yes indeed JG takes all the information into account - JG A - 1/15 10:40:35
                                                  You've eliminated the FACT that not every embryo - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:49:47
                                                       Whats not intended is that all of them become born - JG A - 1/15 11:56:18
                                        Each individual embryo was created to be born - JG A - 1/15 10:21:14
                                             educate yourself - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:27:49
                                                  I'm not the one confused and hypocritical - JG A - 1/15 10:38:40
                                                       you're ignorant and now a liar, JG (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 11:03:08
                                                            it doesn't seem possible you can get more stupid daily - JG A - 1/15 11:08:52
                                             No, and those which make it were intended for - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:26:09
                    ^^^Best solution yet. I'm on board. - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 10:02:53
               how convenient for her and awesome for the child. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:57:15
               May be best solution. I guess courts will decide. And - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:51:47
          Now thats a well thought out answer boy - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/15 09:41:31
               Yes he could grow up to be a terrosist criminal - JG A - 1/15 09:43:08
          What makes you conclude that all of the embryos were - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:38:46
               The takeaway point is this issue needs to be - JG A - 1/15 09:44:29
                    At this point, an issue almost exactly in the middle.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:47:08
                         I disagree completely. Do you think the embryos were create - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:52:43
                              I consider this a better approach. - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 10:05:15
                                   GAT agrees both sides are right - JG A - 1/15 10:14:36
                                        Yes, it is. Since I, as usual, look at the whole picture - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 10:20:40
                                             LOL so GAT - JG A - 1/15 10:22:15
                                                  RE: LOL so GAT - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:50:11
                                                       Jesus man even I am embarrassed for you - JG A - 1/15 11:10:54
                                                            Ever notice you don't bother to actually refute the facts - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 11:14:21
                                                                 I noticed you are hopelessly overmatched - JG A - 1/15 11:17:01
               When they do this process the intention has never been for - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 09:42:46
                    which is why I asked JG to validate his (typical) assumption - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:47:36
                         I did -typically -nail the issue - JG A - 1/15 09:56:38
                              no, you made an assumption that all of the embryos - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:57:54
                                   That was the intent -yes - JG A - 1/15 09:59:09
                                        RE: That was the intent -yes - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:28:17
                                        lol validate that, JG (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 10:06:31
                                        They usually produce multiple embryos in hopes that - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/15 10:05:12
                    Which would seem to set some future precedent regarding - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:45:01
     I saw this on REiDICULOUSNESS nm - yy4u MU - 1/15 09:26:02
     Very interesting article, GAT. Thank you for posting. - ummmm MU - 1/15 09:16:37
          Though a right to retake "some" of his property - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:39:17
               such as what? - pickle MU - 1/15 09:40:33
                    Given a lack of law I could go either way at this point.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:49:32
                         law isn't necessary here. - pickle MU - 1/15 09:57:53
          To me, it's extremely simple (without introducing legal - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:29:49
               Sounds like one more thing to put in a pre-nup.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:40:25
                    not necessary and neither is marriage - pickle MU - 1/15 09:41:37
                         But then, I assume you don't feel laws are necessary, since - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:48:24
                              That would be an ignorant and stupid assumption - pickle MU - 1/15 09:59:02
                                   The enforceable ones do. Unless its from the current - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 10:11:07
                                        no, GAT. (nm) - pickle MU - 1/15 10:57:31
     tl;dr(nm) - Big-Dog MU - 1/15 09:05:11
     then go somewhere there are conservatives - pickle MU - 1/15 09:02:00
          In a way that is connected.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:37:09
          is dick darbin your hero nm - yy4u MU - 1/15 09:09:23
     Slide the frozen embryos into the trash can (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:00:39
     Here's what I go by - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/15 08:56:06
          Good points, well made. For me, - hokie VT - 1/15 09:11:20
               I followed you until the stem cell stuff. I think that - GA Tiger MU - 1/15 09:36:21
               it's an embryo - don't I get told by Spanky and JeffB that - 90Tiger MU - 1/15 09:15:19




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