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there was no gov't at the dawn of mankind, but weapons were

Posted on: January 4, 2018 at 13:45:46 CT
tigerinhogtown STL
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some of the 1st things produced and used on other societies.

pride is a trait mankind has has since the dawn - from it come jealousy, vanity, demand for honor and respect all of which lead to war.

It existed before gov't it will exist after gov't
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hi, I'm pickle. I'm an anarchist and lover of liberty...AMA! - pickle MU - 1/4 12:21:36
     the recent swatting incident - SwampTiger MU - 1/4 13:01:27
          The ones who committed a crime - pickle MU - 1/4 13:05:40
               So calling up the swatter to induce him to call in the swat - JeffB MU - 1/4 13:09:09
               would hiring a hit man be a crime? - SwampTiger MU - 1/4 13:08:52
                    No, hiring a hit man is not a crime (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 13:10:03
                         If you believe in anarchy, what *is* a crime? - JeffB MU - 1/4 15:10:55
          I gotta say, that incident is a confounding one - ummmm MU - 1/4 13:03:42
               I've gone back and forth on that - pickle MU - 1/4 13:07:00
     Step 1 - MizzouTigerz MU - 1/4 12:48:29
          Do you have a question? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 13:03:56
     What do you do to advance your anarchist values? - Grasslands MU - 1/4 12:46:07
          I discuss them where and when appropriate - pickle MU - 1/4 13:01:54
     I still don't know what you do about those that don't follow - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 12:44:25
          RE: I still don't know what you do about those that don't follow - pickle MU - 1/4 12:51:06
               so tribes, North America prior to the arrival of the Europe(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:02:53
                    What? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 13:04:15
                         Native Americains lived in tribes much the way you - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:09:27
                              when did pickle talk about tribes? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:49:20
                                   Not in this thread, but a couple of years ago... - JeffB MU - 1/4 14:56:08
                                   he didn't, I'm just trying to relate some historical - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:56:17
                                        he didn't describe a society. you keep using your future-vis - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:07:36
                                             i believe mankind is inherently good and cooperative, and - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:19:07
                                                  I didn't state any society requirements - pickle MU - 1/4 14:26:40
                                                       "societies based upon voluntary relationships and exchanges" - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:30:12
                                                            Why do you keep cutting off the sentence? - pickle MU - 1/4 14:34:38
                                                                 you discribe a society that you believe would fix the system - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:37:49
                                                                      No I don't (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 15:41:33
                                                  you keep saying it doesn't exist as if you're being - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:20:48
                                                       you claim he didn't describe a society, I claim he did(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:26:45
                              ??? I don't know where you got that from - pickle MU - 1/4 13:13:24
                                   tell me this doesn't describe early tribal life: - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:22:40
                                        That doesn't describe "early tribal life" (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 13:25:17
                                             sure it does: - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:35:06
                                                  It doesn't. Early tribal life were under big man societies - pickle MU - 1/4 13:51:21
               'There would be means for dispute resolution' - JeffB MU - 1/4 12:57:33
     EMAW! - MIZZOUowns SEC - 1/4 12:34:11
     'compromised since birth, not by choice' - JeffB MU - 1/4 12:32:49
     If government was eliminated - cnk ATL - 1/4 12:28:49
          well they already are part of society - pickle MU - 1/4 12:34:13
               what mechanism would stop them from being aggressive - cnk ATL - 1/4 12:41:08
                    competing groups of security forces - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/4 13:02:49
                    armed individuals - pickle MU - 1/4 12:44:15
                         so Shane would come back and provide justice(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 12:46:58
                              I don't know who Shane is (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 13:07:22
                                   you've never seen the movie SHANE? - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:11:11
                                        Yes, I've seen the movie Shane - pickle MU - 1/4 13:14:00
                                             you see Shane came in and made sure those - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:20:25
                                                  RE: you see Shane came in and made sure those - pickle MU - 1/4 13:26:31
                                                       your utopia society is fictional too(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:35:55
                                                            it's your fiction, not pickle's that you're arguing about he - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:54:44
                                                                 so this society exists somewhere? cause if it doesn't - - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:57:40
                                                                      again, it's YOUR fiction, not pickle's. He isn't layingout - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:08:47
                                                                           he drew the picture "i believe mankind is inherently good - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:20:45
                                                                                That's not fiction, that's fact (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 14:27:46
                                                                                     your belief does not make it fact(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:29:26
                                                                                          That's the first correct thing you've said today (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 15:42:05
                                                                                odd, my entire 50+ years on earth have been 99.999995% - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:21:41
                                                                                     well, I was in construction for 33 years, so as long as it - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:25:13
                                                                                          I think you misunderstand (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 14:30:04
                                                            I don't advocate utopia - pickle MU - 1/4 13:52:55
               you left out the part about believing in utopia - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 12:39:57
               'They wouldn't last long being aggressive and violent' - JeffB MU - 1/4 12:35:57
                    lol - baltimore is a gvmt example. man you're dumb, Jeff (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 13:55:47
                         You don't seem to be following the conversation very well... - JeffB MU - 1/4 15:45:38
                    Looks like two instances of failed govts. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/4 12:40:43
                         Perhaps, but even so, his contention that - JeffB MU - 1/4 12:47:32
                              RE: Perhaps, but even so, his contention that - ummmm MU - 1/4 12:52:05
                                   RE: Why should we believe that 'this time is different' - JeffB MU - 1/4 13:06:22
                                        I agree that moralities are less refined than 50 years ago - ummmm MU - 1/4 13:13:25
                                             'far less capital would be directed to building weapons of - JeffB MU - 1/4 14:16:47
                                             there was no gov't at the dawn of mankind, but weapons were - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:45:46
                                                  There were no societies at the dawn of mankind - pickle MU - 1/4 13:57:04
                                                       of course there were extended families were societies - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:04:48
                                                            there were no societies at the dawn of mankind - pickle MU - 1/4 14:31:02
                                                                 a family isn't a society? I believe it is and has been - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:33:07
                         and places where many people aren't - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 12:45:59
                              Recognizing what you just wrote, it would seem ever more - ummmm MU - 1/4 12:52:57
                                   far less likely than mob rule(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:12:26
                                        I guess we should just ignore all present and historical - ummmm MU - 1/4 13:16:09
                                             Ignore WWII and the atomic bombing of Japan (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 13:32:08
                                                  why? if your society can develop roads, cars, electronics - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 13:38:18
                                                       It's your argument. You said it would be less likely - pickle MU - 1/4 13:54:28
                                                            when has a governmentless society EVER ended - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:06:14
                                                                 Gvmt is mob rule (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 14:31:30
                                                                      I don't disagree, but no govt ends in mob rule as well(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:33:50
                                                                 isn't democracy defined as the will of the majority? that's - 90Tiger MU - 1/4 14:10:49
                                                                      did I disagree? My point is gov't or no gov't - MOB RULE(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/4 14:22:27
                                                                           That wasn't your point and you've contradicted yourself - pickle MU - 1/4 14:33:23
                                                       Partially answered here: - ummmm MU - 1/4 13:39:02
                                        Gvmt is mob rule (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 13:15:18
          they could join private "security forces" - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/4 12:32:56
               No one has ever told you that. Why the need to lie? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 12:35:36
     Your liberty has been compromised by your own bad choices. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/4 12:23:21
          Do you have a question? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 12:28:09
               RE: Do you have a question? (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/4 12:34:40
     Wonderful, now what about the Reptilians?(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/4 12:22:45
          I don't know what you're talking about (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 12:27:47
     Go blow a goat (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/4 12:21:57
          Any topic, Tigrrr. Government, politics, liberty, economics, - pickle MU - 1/4 12:29:54
               Ok - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/4 12:59:54




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