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Interesting that a bush appointee tossed out tRump's ban.

Posted on: February 4, 2017 at 11:18:58 CT

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Robart, an appointee of President George W. Bush, asked if there had been any terrorist attacks since 9/11 by people from the seven counties listed in Trump's order. Bennett said she didn't know.

"The answer is none," Robart said. "You're here arguing we have to protect from these individuals from these countries, and there's no support for that."

Bennett argued that the states can't sue on behalf of citizens, and the states have failed to show the order is causing irreparable harm.

Robart disagreed, and rejected a request from Bennett for an immediate stay of his order.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-judge-temporarily-blocks-trumps-065618361.html

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State Dept. reverses visa revocations - tigerspy MU - 2/4 10:37:42

RE: State Dept. reverses visa revocations - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:12:01

the order applies to lawful permanent residents - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 13:07:23

No it does not (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 13:47:17

no it doesn't apply to lawful permanent residents. that's - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:09:35

amazing they're still pushing that narrative - Sal KC - 2/4 13:47:53

should i assume your silence means you agree - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 14:14:10

RE: should i assume your silence means you agree - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 15:24:41

one can be an alien and a lawful permanent resident - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 13:56:17

the order suspended entry of aliens - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 13:27:50

It was so poorly written and reasoned - tigerspy MU - 2/4 13:18:23

Actually, it was well written and some folks weren't very - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:23:46

Like I said, circus. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 13:24:38

sure, whatever word makes you happy. do you have - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:28:34

A few petty criminals are nothing, - tigerspy MU - 2/4 13:30:33

how is the "country threatened" by this white house, - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:31:47

Clowns aren't very good at non-clown actions. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 13:36:38

now you see why you sound ridiculous (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:38:14

I could only hope to be half the joke the president is. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 13:38:53

So, again, what's the threat to the country? so far he's in - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:43:36

It would be a lot less exhausting - tigerspy MU - 2/4 13:50:16

i'm not the guy saying the white house is a threat - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 15:30:30

Strange you like strongmen leading your government. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 15:45:19

lol, no thanks. I'd prefer the fed govt be gutted. HRC - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 16:13:43

So you do want to watch it burn! - tigerspy MU - 2/4 16:31:18

Are you 12? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 17:27:00

Are you? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 18:10:11

Well, actual legal experts disagree with you(nm) - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 12:24:09

We will see what appellate courts think - mu7176grad MU - 2/4 12:34:37

and other legal experts don't. this judge isn't the single - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:28:26

"So Called Judge" - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:03:19

He's right. Judge has no legal basis for ruling, just chang - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:10:05

He has the 1st amendment. I know it's not as important to - SparkyStalcup MU - 2/4 12:22:13

The only First Amendment rights being violated or that - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:41:09

False assumption on your part - please read my post - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:31:08

it violates the establishment clause - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 13:10:11

I think you need to elaborate on how that violates the - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:19:54

trump campaigned on banning muslims - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 13:37:00

and so to ban Muslims, Trump decided to allow 94% of them - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:39:18

i feel as though you think that rebuts my argument - gmmm98 MU - 2/4 13:41:46

ok (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:43:53

That's not an outright establishment clause violation, - tigerspy MU - 2/4 13:38:03

ah, the great legal mind of 90T has opined... - tigerdb MU - 2/4 12:13:06

I'm eager to see your commentary. At this point you - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:14:07

I'm not an attorney, so I can't hold myself out as giving a - tigerdb MU - 2/4 12:25:11

Did you read the executive order? if this were - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:29:41

What exactly does this EO do? How many terrorist acts - tigerdb MU - 2/4 12:39:17

That's a totally different question. You're conflating - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:45:33

I think the EO was a heavy-handed effort to appease - tigerdb MU - 2/4 12:53:59

I've noticed you've avoided indicating how you thiin - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:59:56

I haven't avoided anything - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:04:12

neither argument holds water; there's just no logic - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:08:06

Who the hell are you to say that? Are you a constitutional - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:21:09

It's called my opinion after reading arguments from both - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:25:45

I'm not an attorney - thus I don't render legal opinions - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:35:36

lol oh ok (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:36:32

I do think we should implement a travel ban in - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:49:53

preaching to the choir. I'm one of the original Fijiphiles - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 16:14:36

RE: I think the EO was a heavy-handed effort to appease - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:57:12

it's temporary and intended to improve the vetting - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:56:40

What is wrong with the current vetting process? - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:02:55

The administration has already stated they only used the cur - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:07:01

ah, we can only ban muzz from countries that don't have OIL(nm) - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:22:51

that's what obama's list stated, basically. didn't have - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:29:41

I wasn't really outraged then & you shouldn't confuse - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:43:25

it's really not a smackdown. it's politics. I know that you - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:45:13

From a political perspective, I detested hillary... - tigerdb MU - 2/4 13:53:22

The first amendment rights of zero people are being - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 16:17:59

More vapid partisan spin(nm) - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 12:12:26

RE: More vapid partisan spin(nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:14:16

Is the man a judge or a "so called " judge?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:12:02

Be realistic - if there is another federal judge who - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:15:57

Answer the question(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:16:57

He's a judge. Trump is a goofball for saying "so-called" - - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:19:55

Nuff said - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:22:55

Of course yer not LOL - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/4 12:26:24

Is that because unlike me you're not man enough to state - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:25:17

RE: Is that because unlike me you're not man enough to state - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:29:54

Stalled by an activist judge. Wow, the Earth will move and - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:31:47

OK. You guys have it all together. - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:34:16

not going well is a political issue. People are emotionally - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:38:45

Refugee to terrorist in US - ZERO - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:50:33

how many are staying at your house, rask? Just curious - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:54:57

hey rask, they will be let in. It's a temporary order until - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:54:03

4 yr vetting not quite enough - of course we do know - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 13:45:56

there isn't a 4 year vetting rask and time of vetting is - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 16:19:11

There is a Syrian family been waiting four years - pt is - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 16:50:41

Zero huh ? Is that right ? - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/4 12:53:53

when said judge is no longer making a legal ruling - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:14:55

Why isn't the ruling legal?(nm) - Zamboni STL - 2/4 12:15:18

The ruling is "legal" it just isn't following law. there - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:16:35

Why do you argue that it isn't following law? - Zamboni STL - 2/4 12:17:46

You're arguing this backwards. The EO was issued. - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:19:17

Back up your assertion or STFU(nm) - Zamboni STL - 2/4 12:21:28

I just did. The EO doesn't go beyond any Executive branch - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:24:36

alt-judge(nm) - tigerdb MU - 2/4 12:13:48

Keeping Americans safe is not a circus (nm) - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 11:44:01

It is when clowns do it. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:44:51

Obama is no longer president (nm) - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 11:48:16

Hence the current circus. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:49:17

To a Liberal, looking out for America first is a circus... - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 11:50:26

16 year record for immigrant terrorists - 0(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 11:59:40

ISIS (the JV Team) wasn't around 6, 12 or 16 years ago... - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 12:01:22

Do not blame the invader(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:04:06

That is a really over the top dumb statement... - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 12:05:41

Without W invasion of Iraq - there is no ISIS. Period(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:07:05

Classic libtard statement - redngray MU - 2/4 12:13:07

Who said that?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:14:55

RE: Who said that?(nm) - redngray MU - 2/4 12:19:53

Be careful you don't hurt yourself stretching like that(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:22:03

Sworn enemy of the US - redngray MU - 2/4 12:40:21

Who is this "sworn enemy of the US" - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 13:46:59

Round and round we go nm - redngray MU - 2/4 14:13:10

Blame America first... - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 12:11:51

Sans W invasion - there is no ISIS(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:12:38

Sans Bill Clinton the WTC would still be standing... - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 12:24:04

Whatever you say(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:30:25

^^ Denial (nm) - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 12:36:52

But then Bubba's admin was not staffed by folks who signed - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:33:18

Oh, I see...It's OK to blame W, but not Clinton... - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 12:42:04

W invaded Iraq. Pretty simple(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 13:47:43

he's a partisan hack (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 13:10:19

so you agree...W's invasion of Iraq created a current threat - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:10:56

Not playing stupid games son. My statement stands. - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:14:14

well if you think they threaten nothing then why is it a - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:17:29

You're just fool. Nothing has changed in that regard - raskolnikov MU - 2/4 12:20:03

A clown got a bunch of rubes to join his circus. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:51:13

Yeah, hard working people in the Rust Belt that used to vote - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 11:55:24

Yep, rubes(nm) - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 12:06:19

Where's Orange? - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 12:13:31

We can only hope the 100,000 or 60, whatever, - GA Tiger MU - 2/4 11:14:59

Interesting that a bush appointee tossed out tRump's ban. - tigerdb MU - 2/4 11:18:58

It wasn't tossed out, nipplebrain... - Salty Dog MU

- 2/4 11:47:52

I have no interest, since I know a repub appointee - GA Tiger MU - 2/4 11:22:59

So a neocon's judge objects to Trump? - Sal KC - 2/4 11:19:27

Here - Zamboni STL - 2/4 12:08:35

Dude doesn't even understand checks and balances. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 12:09:15

Hey, good point. - Evenflow MU - 2/4 11:39:38

Talk about swamps, the federal judiciary is the worst, - MUTGR MU - 2/4 11:39:37

LOL love the low IQ crowd. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:46:00

RE: LOL love the low IQ crowd. - MUTGR MU - 2/4 11:48:11

They have actual proof of high IQ. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:50:25

Or they had a lot of money to begin with - Sal KC - 2/4 11:51:47

Glad you agree they are smart. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:52:24

Why didn't you answer my last part? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 11:52:59

It's irrelevant to how smart they are. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:53:52

Even the ones supporting the EO? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 11:46:53

Sal doesn't understand the judicial branch? - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 11:20:20

What are the legal objections? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 11:21:30

That it's targeted at a religion duh... - tigerdb MU - 2/4 11:40:12

it doesn't target a religion. it specifically targets count - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:22:12

That's wrong, care to try again? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 11:41:05

Wrong - tigerdb MU - 2/4 11:59:11

That's not b/c of Trump's administration - Sal KC - 2/4 10:38:32

RE: That's not b/c of Trump's administration - mizzoumurfkc MU

- 2/4 10:53:25

Exactly. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 10:50:51

I'm sure you were fine - Sal KC - 2/4 10:51:58

I'm generally good with policy not written by clowns. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 10:55:44

So you're just a partisan hypocrite? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 10:56:24

LOL - it's not about (D) or (R), but (C). - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:00:42

So far, your "argument" is totally incoherent. And - GA Tiger MU - 2/4 11:16:21

Sorry I don't speak clown. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:24:53

They have no argument - Sal KC - 2/4 11:16:46

Predictably. And does ts sound like pickle?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/4 11:17:27

Then you should be able to answer this simple question - Sal KC - 2/4 11:01:54

I already told you, they weren't written by clowns. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:02:38

Answer the questions (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 11:03:42

Asked and answered. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:08:04

It's only chaos because the left and the media - Sal KC - 2/4 11:09:31

It's chaos because it was a joke of an EO. - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:10:22

What's your objection to checks and balances? - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 11:05:29

What is that in reference to? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 11:06:04

RE: What is that in reference to? (nm) - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 11:06:29

That's not checks and balances - Sal KC - 2/4 11:07:40

That's just partisan spin - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 11:11:03

what is the legal basis for the judge's decision? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 12:18:15

What are the legal objections? (nm) - Sal KC - 2/4 11:15:39

For a group of people that claim to love the US Constitution - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:12:11

In regards to the Constitution - Sal KC - 2/4 11:17:51

We already had this conversation, - tigerspy MU - 2/4 11:27:21

the 14th amendment? - 90Tiger MU - 2/4 16:40:47

Yes, there was a discussion of this EO - tigerspy MU - 2/4 16:42:43

The EO doesn't violate the 14th amendment - Sal KC - 2/4 11:28:45

This is basic high school civics - Danny Whizzbang USA - 2/4 11:13:38

If it's so basic - Sal KC - 2/4 11:20:10

Except - mizzoumurfkc MU

- 2/4 11:10:45

As pointed out below - Sal KC - 2/4 11:15:24

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