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dunno. how beefy do you want to get?

Posted on: January 28, 2017 at 21:13:43 CT
Iam4Mizzou MU
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Read these:

Zadvydas v. Davis (2001)

Almeida-Sanchez v. United States (1973)

Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)

Wong Win v. United States (1896)

With the exception of voting and holding office, non-citizens enjoy pretty much the same protections against our government because they are "persons".

Otherwise we could just do whatever we wanted with them. Execution without trial, for example. Enslavement. The possibilities are endless.
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the court's order... - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 20:47:45
     RE: the court's order... - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:05:28
          Why would you want to deny due process? nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/29 02:17:03
          EVERYONE under US jurisdiction is guaranteed due process.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:11:57
               How is a non citizen that is out of the country under - tman KC - 1/28 21:58:05
               RE: EVERYONE under US jurisdiction is guaranteed due process.(nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:14:17
                    But not given every right under the constitution and all - tman KC - 1/28 21:25:09
          They caint, Its just liberals being retarded - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/28 21:08:13
          the 14th amendment - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:06:15
               correction, the 5th amendment due process - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 22:53:36
               RE: the 14th amendment - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:09:52
                    person means human being - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:14:17
                         They sure as hell weren't before 1868.* - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 21:22:57
                              then those mother****ers are SOL(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:24:10
                                   They were. Before the 14th. And other stuff.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 21:32:31
                         RE: person means human being - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:16:23
                              I thought we were discussing whether non-citizens - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:18:53
                    JURISDICTION. Look up the word.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:12:42
                    Not until they hit U.S. soil. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:11:41
               the 14th amendment sold federal restraints off on the states - 90Tiger MU - 1/28 21:08:03
                    dunno. how beefy do you want to get? - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:13:43
                         and you still didn't address my very simple point. - 90Tiger MU - 1/29 05:11:33
     How does it affect those currently abroad that - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 20:55:46
          I believe anyone from those countries who have - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:01:28
               RE: I believe anyone from those countries who have - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:12:34
                    that's great because I'm going to enslave me an illegal - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:16:43
                         Every Trump supporter's wet dream. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:19:17
                    No.. illegal immigrants are still protected by due process. - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:14:59
                    Wrong again. - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:13:41
               Good.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:02:41
     What is the part of the constitution that gives - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 20:55:28
          Read the 14th Amendment.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 20:58:14
               So explain how visitors and visa holders fall under that - tman KC - 1/28 21:01:12
                    Does voting for Trump drop one's IQ? - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:03:59
                         RE: Does voting for Trump drop one's IQ? - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 21:06:03
                         All persons born or naturalized - tman KC - 1/28 21:06:00
                              Thats a lotta work you know. For a demlib.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 21:06:33
                                   Guess what? It even applies to illegal aliens. GASP! (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:11:12
                                        No.(nm) - tman KC - 1/28 21:12:52
                                             Yep. - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:14:09
                                                  Sure. I couldn't set first chair as I have never argued in - tman KC - 1/28 21:20:40
                                                       Here you go: - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:26:33
                                                            I refuse to accept anything the 9th circus rules. - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 21:34:13
                                                                 Great. That's a United States Supreme Court ruling. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:36:29
                                                            That doesn't give him the same rights as citizens or those - tman KC - 1/28 21:33:51
                                                                 I'm not making that argument. - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:37:18
                                                                      And I am saying only the process according to the laws we - tman KC - 1/28 21:43:56
                                                                           No, that has never been "due process". - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:48:04
                                                                                Read the chain. There are many claimING they have all the - tman KC - 1/28 21:53:17
                                                                                     I never have. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:58:02
          Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 20:57:09
               RE: Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:24:00
                    Anyone in U.S. jurisdiction. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:29:23
               Get real. It clearly refers to CITIZENS. And I will - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 21:00:25
                    this is good. we get to talk civics for once - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:03:40
                         You are a lawyer, but that still wont be good enough for - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:10:30
                              So am I. What is your point. - tman KC - 1/28 21:16:45
                                   RE: So am I. What is your point. - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:28:28
                                   Let's just stick to the US Supreme Court. You go first. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:19:56
                                        Frame the arguement. You are claiming the 14th amendement - tman KC - 1/28 21:22:30
                                             No, I am not. - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:25:31
                                                  Visitors don't have the same constitutional rights - tman KC - 1/28 21:29:27
                                                       These people are here legally. An executive order - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:31:03
                                                            Due process is different than them having all of the rights - tman KC - 1/28 21:35:41
                                                                 other than all of the other rights afforded "persons" - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/28 21:42:45
                                                                      Now you are carving out rights. On what basis - tman KC - 1/28 21:45:20
                                                                           "Any person"(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:47:19
                                                                                RE: "Any person"(nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 22:00:50
                                                                                Any citizens or those naturalized - tman KC - 1/28 21:53:55
                                                                 And this whole situation is because due process was not - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:42:27
                                                                      What is due process for a travel & business VISA holder? - tman KC - 1/28 21:51:53
                                                                           Due process is the same for any category of person, - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:57:28
                                                                                You oversimplify. If a person with a VISA is out of the - tman KC - 1/28 22:04:03
                                                                                     If a visa holder is under U.S. jurisdiction, - tigerspy MU - 1/28 22:12:31
                                                                 No $hit Sherlock. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:37:54
                                                       Wrong. - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:29:57
                    Your reading is correct. Liberal judges will try to twist i - tman KC - 1/28 21:02:44
                    Man, you really can't read? - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:02:10
                         "Any person" apparently does not mean any person. Lol(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:03:15
                    Read it again old man.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:01:05
               That is a strectch. Are you claiming visitors - tman KC - 1/28 20:59:33
                    It clearly applies to anyone within the US jurisdiction.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:00:40
                         RE: It clearly applies to anyone within the US jurisdiction.(nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:58:48
                         It refers to that. I question what application was intended - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 21:05:07
                              Treaties are the highest law in the land. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:08:39
                              All persons born or naturalized. If you read the 14th amend - tman KC - 1/28 21:08:22
                                   Damn, TrumpTards tarding really hard tonight. - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:09:36
                                        RE: Damn, TrumpTards tarding really hard tonight. - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:31:28
                                             Put down the ConspiracyAde. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:32:12
                                        Confers equal rights to citizens or those naturalized - tman KC - 1/28 21:11:42
                                             Lol, no. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:13:27
                                        You'd think plain English would.be easy to understand.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:11:11
                                             You tried to understand Trump when he talks? - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:13:19
                                                  RE: You tried to understand Trump when he talks? - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:46:47
                                                       See? I have no idea what you meant by that post. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:48:56
                    Nope. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:00:02
                         Yep. Where do you go to law school?(nm) - tman KC - 1/28 21:01:47
                              Nope. They are not naturalized. - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:02:47
                                   So it doesn't apply to them. Got it(nm) - tman KC - 1/28 21:04:45
                                        Wrong. Bigly. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 21:14:32
                                             Right Bigly(nm) - tman KC - 1/28 21:23:08
     on what grounds do you disagree with the "ban" legally - 90Tiger MU - 1/28 20:51:15
          lol - TheShoe STL - 1/28 20:59:06
          ^^^ Must have been drinking a lot.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/28 20:56:40
          Great brief there, Lionel Hutz. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 20:54:16
               I notice you still haven't answered, choosing to - 90Tiger MU - 1/28 20:56:10
                    Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 20:57:26
                         RE: Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:52:37
                         make the case, here (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/28 20:58:16
                              Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution - tigerspy MU - 1/28 20:59:14
                                   RE: Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 21:54:35
                                        It does not. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 22:00:59
                                             RE: It does not. (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/28 22:04:25
                                                  You misread or misunderstand. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 1/28 22:13:30
                                   wait - 90Tiger MU - 1/28 21:01:07
                                        It refers to green card and visa holders legally here stuck - TigerMatt STL - 1/28 21:02:02
                                             And to those - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/28 21:03:30
     Thanks for clarifying the order(nm) - Danny Whizzbang USA - 1/28 20:50:28




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