Welcome Guest

and how does the beings omniscience take away from the

Posted on: September 21, 2016 at 12:17:11 CT

mizzou alum 93 MU

Posts:

15246

Member For:

13.14 yrs

Level:

User

M.O.B. Votes:

mortal's choices? one does not negate the other. I thought your point was if an omniscient being knows the outcome in advance then there is no choice for the mortal to make. that is a false statement. you seem to being confusing knowing the choice with making the choice. two separate acts from two separate beings.

Edited by mizzou alum 93 at 12:24:41 on 09/21/16

Please explain why this message is being reported.

REPLY

MESSAGE THREAD

Want to be clear 4Tigs - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:24:49

"Free Will" does not mean "Without Consequences" - Spanky KU - 9/21 12:51:40

Hell is eternal separation from God. He is not a rapist. He - JeffB MU

- 9/21 11:59:55

And there are consequences to their decisions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:02:20

Very true. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 9/21 12:04:41

Here is the part of God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:30:42

Lol(nm) - Panthera MU - 9/21 11:37:37

RE: Here is the part of God - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:37:35

God is Truth, something for which you seem to have a rather - JeffB MU

- 9/21 12:06:21

I agree that God is Truth - Hu, Allah Hu, Allah Hu - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 12:10:18

I can bust your balls about your politics, but have to - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:03:46

If you make the intent and emotions of sinful mankind - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:40:02

I do not get your meaning of "putting intent and emotions - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:42:31

You speak of a muslims heart wrenching regret and dispair - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:44:58

Please don't connect things not connected - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:49:00

There is one path to salvation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:51:38

Again, hold the thought God tells you or you're damned - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 12:13:32

Jesus also siad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:15:16

Ah, 4Tigs, the mortal man - the only mortal man capable of - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:33:25

The only way I know God's intent is through the Word - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:34:15

What language did God provide his Word in? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 11:42:56

Orginally it was written in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:45:36

How did it get into English? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 11:49:22

Translators - obviously. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:52:21

Would you agree things are lost in translation? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 11:58:47

Yes, certainly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:03:07

Which is the faithful and English translation of the Bible?(nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 12:06:13

There are several - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:10:48

How can there be more than one faithful translation? (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/21 12:35:43

is this a legitimate question? think pickle, - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:39:27

Laughable. you bible interpreters have been fighting since - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:35:58

Hardly laugable - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:37:57

It's nothing but laughable. There is no battle. God knows be - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:40:02

How would God be wrong? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:40:57

LMFAO (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/21 13:00:25

You just stated He know before hand that you will reject o - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:43:13

Again, you confusing knowing a choice someone will make - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:46:45

If God knows BEFORE the choice is made and God is - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:52:50

Again, I know if you offer my son a cookie or celery he will - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:53:47

That analogy fails utterly because you don't "know" in t - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:07:42

RE: You just stated He know before hand that you will reject o - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:44:02

Lol(nm) - Panthera MU - 9/21 11:41:51

god knows how you'll decide before you're born, but, really, - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:53:35

why does this issue bother you so much? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:36:25

why the straw man? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:34:07

Don't bother - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:34:42

believing god is omnipotent eliminates the possibility of - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:29:08

Why does that eliminate the possibility of free will?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:32:02

if a being exists that is truly omniscient - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:33:37

Knowing what will happen is not to say you did - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:35:49

I need to back up a step, I meant omniscient, not omnipotent - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:40:52

he knows everything there is to know - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/21 12:38:16

that's not omniscience(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:39:13

I thought it was knowing everything ther is to know(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/21 13:13:35

Precisely - given the omniscient being cannot be wrong. - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:12:06

Where in this do I go to hell for masturbating?(nm) - hefeweizen MU

- 9/21 11:42:49

BOAISY(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:47:13

no, the person still has a choice and makes it. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:42:44

You are not omniscient, you predicted that Denver would win - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:46:52

never said i was. a omniscient being does not mean the - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:11:55

your example implied you absolutely knew Denver would - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:14:21

and how does the beings omniscience take away from the - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:17:11

the mortal is not able to deviate from what the omniscient - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:25:55

no, it is still a choice to the mortal. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:27:31

back to my movie example - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:30:55

life is not a movie. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:32:53

correct, to the omniscient being time would not be - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:36:04

You are confusing knowing what you are going to do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:41:47

no, I'm not saying the omniscient being is coercing - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:45:39

If you offer my youngest celery or a cookie he will choose - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:48:47

you are not omniscient - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:53:23

Every now and then we get to do this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:56:20

I respect your beliefs - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:03:24

There is nothing "logical" by our standards of a God of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:05:28

now come over to The Shack so I can say horrible things - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:12:08

Fair enough - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:13:12

Illogical and impossible. One can't state an entity knows th - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:36:42

To the mind of man, much of God's nature and will is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:43:11

what? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:37:23

"God has a plan for you, well, unless you don't follow it in - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:34:43

God knows all things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:36:40

lmfao - so people are born PRE-DESTINED (because God knows - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:38:31

Again, knowing what someone will do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:52:58

When you are omniscient and cannot be wrong, it most - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:13:51

only to the omniscient being. not the mortal one. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:18:36

a being knowing the choice in advance does not mean the - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:39:31

Yes, the BELIEF eliminates the possiblity - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:31:20

Free will under the threat of eternal damnation or the promi - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:30:30

See above - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:32:32

Laughable. Utterly and completely ludicrous. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:34:04

You also dont get that immoral, illegal and unethical - hefeweizen MU

- 9/21 11:26:17