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Laughable. Utterly and completely ludicrous. (nm)
Posted on: September 21, 2016 at 11:34:04 CT
90Tiger
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Want to be clear 4Tigs
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raskolnikov
MU
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9/21 11:24:49
"Free Will" does not mean "Without Consequences"
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Spanky
KU
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9/21 12:51:40
Hell is eternal separation from God. He is not a rapist. He
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JeffB
MU
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9/21 11:59:55
And there are consequences to their decisions
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 12:02:20
Very true. (nm)
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JeffB
MU
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9/21 12:04:41
Here is the part of God
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:30:42
Lol(nm)
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Panthera
MU
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9/21 11:37:37
RE: Here is the part of God
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raskolnikov
MU
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9/21 11:37:35
God is Truth, something for which you seem to have a rather
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JeffB
MU
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9/21 12:06:21
I agree that God is Truth - Hu, Allah Hu, Allah Hu
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raskolnikov
MU
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9/21 12:10:18
I can bust your balls about your politics, but have to
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 12:03:46
If you make the intent and emotions of sinful mankind
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:40:02
I do not get your meaning of "putting intent and emotions
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raskolnikov
MU
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9/21 11:42:31
You speak of a muslims heart wrenching regret and dispair
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:44:58
Please don't connect things not connected
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raskolnikov
MU
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9/21 11:49:00
There is one path to salvation
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:51:38
Again, hold the thought God tells you or you're damned
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raskolnikov
MU
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9/21 12:13:32
Jesus also siad
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 12:15:16
Ah, 4Tigs, the mortal man - the only mortal man capable of
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:33:25
The only way I know God's intent is through the Word
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:34:15
What language did God provide his Word in? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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9/21 11:42:56
Orginally it was written in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:45:36
How did it get into English? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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9/21 11:49:22
Translators - obviously.
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:52:21
Would you agree things are lost in translation? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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9/21 11:58:47
Yes, certainly
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 12:03:07
Which is the faithful and English translation of the Bible?(nm)
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ummmm
MU
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9/21 12:06:13
There are several
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 12:10:48
How can there be more than one faithful translation? (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/21 12:35:43
is this a legitimate question? think pickle,
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 12:39:27
Laughable. you bible interpreters have been fighting since
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:35:58
Hardly laugable
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:37:57
It's nothing but laughable. There is no battle. God knows be
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:40:02
How would God be wrong?
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:40:57
LMFAO (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/21 13:00:25
You just stated He know before hand that you will reject o
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:43:13
Again, you confusing knowing a choice someone will make
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:46:45
If God knows BEFORE the choice is made and God is
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:52:50
Again, I know if you offer my son a cookie or celery he will
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:53:47
That analogy fails utterly because you don't "know" in t
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 12:07:42
RE: You just stated He know before hand that you will reject o
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 11:44:02
Lol(nm)
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Panthera
MU
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9/21 11:41:51
god knows how you'll decide before you're born, but, really,
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:53:35
why does this issue bother you so much?
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 11:36:25
why the straw man? (nm)
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 11:34:07
Don't bother
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:34:42
believing god is omnipotent eliminates the possibility of
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 11:29:08
Why does that eliminate the possibility of free will?(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:32:02
if a being exists that is truly omniscient
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 11:33:37
Knowing what will happen is not to say you did
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:35:49
I need to back up a step, I meant omniscient, not omnipotent
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 11:40:52
he knows everything there is to know
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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9/21 12:38:16
that's not omniscience(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 12:39:13
I thought it was knowing everything ther is to know(nm)
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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9/21 13:13:35
Precisely - given the omniscient being cannot be wrong.
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 12:12:06
Where in this do I go to hell for masturbating?(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/21 11:42:49
BOAISY(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 11:47:13
no, the person still has a choice and makes it.
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 11:42:44
You are not omniscient, you predicted that Denver would win
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 11:46:52
never said i was. a omniscient being does not mean the
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 12:11:55
your example implied you absolutely knew Denver would
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 12:14:21
and how does the beings omniscience take away from the
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 12:17:11
the mortal is not able to deviate from what the omniscient
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 12:25:55
no, it is still a choice to the mortal.
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 12:27:31
back to my movie example
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 12:30:55
life is not a movie.
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 12:32:53
correct, to the omniscient being time would not be
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 12:36:04
You are confusing knowing what you are going to do
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:41:47
no, I'm not saying the omniscient being is coercing
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 11:45:39
If you offer my youngest celery or a cookie he will choose
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:48:47
you are not omniscient
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 11:53:23
Every now and then we get to do this
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:56:20
I respect your beliefs
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 12:03:24
There is nothing "logical" by our standards of a God of the
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 12:05:28
now come over to The Shack so I can say horrible things
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cnk
ATL
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9/21 12:12:08
Fair enough
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 12:13:12
Illogical and impossible. One can't state an entity knows th
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:36:42
To the mind of man, much of God's nature and will is
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:43:11
what?
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 11:37:23
"God has a plan for you, well, unless you don't follow it in
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:34:43
God knows all things
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:36:40
lmfao - so people are born PRE-DESTINED (because God knows
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:38:31
Again, knowing what someone will do
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:52:58
When you are omniscient and cannot be wrong, it most
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 12:13:51
only to the omniscient being. not the mortal one.
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 12:18:36
a being knowing the choice in advance does not mean the
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mizzou alum 93
MU
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9/21 11:39:31
Yes, the BELIEF eliminates the possiblity
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raskolnikov
MU
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9/21 11:31:20
Free will under the threat of eternal damnation or the promi
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:30:30
See above
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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9/21 11:32:32
Laughable. Utterly and completely ludicrous. (nm)
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90Tiger
MU
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9/21 11:34:04
You also dont get that immoral, illegal and unethical
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/21 11:26:17