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Knowing what will happen is not to say you did

Posted on: September 21, 2016 at 11:35:49 CT
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not have the ability to choose it.

I know if my child touched the hot stove top he will burn himself. That does not mean he does not have the free will regarding touching it.
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Want to be clear 4Tigs - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:24:49
     "Free Will" does not mean "Without Consequences" - Spanky KU - 9/21 12:51:40
     Hell is eternal separation from God. He is not a rapist. He - JeffB MU - 9/21 11:59:55
          And there are consequences to their decisions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:02:20
               Very true. (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/21 12:04:41
     Here is the part of God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:30:42
          Lol(nm) - Panthera MU - 9/21 11:37:37
          RE: Here is the part of God - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:37:35
               God is Truth, something for which you seem to have a rather - JeffB MU - 9/21 12:06:21
                    I agree that God is Truth - Hu, Allah Hu, Allah Hu - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 12:10:18
               I can bust your balls about your politics, but have to - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:03:46
               If you make the intent and emotions of sinful mankind - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:40:02
                    I do not get your meaning of "putting intent and emotions - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:42:31
                         You speak of a muslims heart wrenching regret and dispair - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:44:58
                              Please don't connect things not connected - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:49:00
                                   There is one path to salvation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:51:38
                                        Again, hold the thought God tells you or you're damned - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 12:13:32
                                             Jesus also siad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:15:16
          Ah, 4Tigs, the mortal man - the only mortal man capable of - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:33:25
               The only way I know God's intent is through the Word - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:34:15
                    What language did God provide his Word in? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 11:42:56
                         Orginally it was written in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:45:36
                              How did it get into English? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 11:49:22
                                   Translators - obviously. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:52:21
                                        Would you agree things are lost in translation? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 11:58:47
                                             Yes, certainly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:03:07
                                                  Which is the faithful and English translation of the Bible?(nm) - ummmm MU - 9/21 12:06:13
                                                       There are several - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:10:48
                                                            How can there be more than one faithful translation? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/21 12:35:43
                                                                 is this a legitimate question? think pickle, - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:39:27
                    Laughable. you bible interpreters have been fighting since - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:35:58
                         Hardly laugable - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:37:57
                              It's nothing but laughable. There is no battle. God knows be - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:40:02
                                   How would God be wrong? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:40:57
                                        LMFAO (nm) - pickle MU - 9/21 13:00:25
                                        You just stated He know before hand that you will reject o - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:43:13
                                             Again, you confusing knowing a choice someone will make - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:46:45
                                                  If God knows BEFORE the choice is made and God is - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:52:50
                                                       Again, I know if you offer my son a cookie or celery he will - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:53:47
                                                            That analogy fails utterly because you don't "know" in t - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:07:42
                                             RE: You just stated He know before hand that you will reject o - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:44:02
                                        Lol(nm) - Panthera MU - 9/21 11:41:51
                                             god knows how you'll decide before you're born, but, really, - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:53:35
                         why does this issue bother you so much? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:36:25
               why the straw man? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:34:07
                    Don't bother - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:34:42
     believing god is omnipotent eliminates the possibility of - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:29:08
          Why does that eliminate the possibility of free will?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:32:02
               if a being exists that is truly omniscient - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:33:37
                    Knowing what will happen is not to say you did - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:35:49
                         I need to back up a step, I meant omniscient, not omnipotent - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:40:52
                              he knows everything there is to know - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/21 12:38:16
                                   that's not omniscience(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:39:13
                                        I thought it was knowing everything ther is to know(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/21 13:13:35
                              Precisely - given the omniscient being cannot be wrong. - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:12:06
                              Where in this do I go to hell for masturbating?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/21 11:42:49
                                   BOAISY(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:47:13
                              no, the person still has a choice and makes it. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:42:44
                                   You are not omniscient, you predicted that Denver would win - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:46:52
                                        never said i was. a omniscient being does not mean the - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:11:55
                                             your example implied you absolutely knew Denver would - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:14:21
                                                  and how does the beings omniscience take away from the - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:17:11
                                                       the mortal is not able to deviate from what the omniscient - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:25:55
                                                            no, it is still a choice to the mortal. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:27:31
                                                                 back to my movie example - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:30:55
                                                                      life is not a movie. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:32:53
                                                                           correct, to the omniscient being time would not be - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:36:04
                              You are confusing knowing what you are going to do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:41:47
                                   no, I'm not saying the omniscient being is coercing - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:45:39
                                        If you offer my youngest celery or a cookie he will choose - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:48:47
                                             you are not omniscient - cnk ATL - 9/21 11:53:23
                                                  Every now and then we get to do this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:56:20
                                                       I respect your beliefs - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:03:24
                                                            There is nothing "logical" by our standards of a God of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:05:28
                                                                 now come over to The Shack so I can say horrible things - cnk ATL - 9/21 12:12:08
                                                                      Fair enough - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 12:13:12
                         Illogical and impossible. One can't state an entity knows th - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:36:42
                              To the mind of man, much of God's nature and will is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:43:11
                              what? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:37:23
                    "God has a plan for you, well, unless you don't follow it in - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:34:43
                         God knows all things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:36:40
                              lmfao - so people are born PRE-DESTINED (because God knows - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:38:31
                                   Again, knowing what someone will do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:52:58
                                        When you are omniscient and cannot be wrong, it most - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 12:13:51
                                             only to the omniscient being. not the mortal one. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 12:18:36
                                   a being knowing the choice in advance does not mean the - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/21 11:39:31
          Yes, the BELIEF eliminates the possiblity - raskolnikov MU - 9/21 11:31:20
          Free will under the threat of eternal damnation or the promi - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:30:30
               See above - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/21 11:32:32
                    Laughable. Utterly and completely ludicrous. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/21 11:34:04
     You also dont get that immoral, illegal and unethical - hefeweizen MU - 9/21 11:26:17




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