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I don't think the SEC contributed to our troubles.

Posted on: September 13, 2016 at 12:36:56 CT
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It's just been the perfect storm of problems.

Haith, while deserving credit for a brilliant 2011-12 regular season, was not the right coach to lead the program into a new conference. We entered the SEC in the immediate aftermath of losing to Norfolk State. From there, Haith's teams perpetually underachieved over the first two SEC seasons, despite having multiple pros on the rosters. Then the NCAA investigation came. Then Haith left. Then we hired Kim Anderson, who had to inherit a shattered foundation of a program built previously on transfers. Anderson (who I 100-percent support, just FYI) wasn't able to mesh with the freshmen Haith's staff recruited, and even some of the players recruited by his own staff have bolted for other programs. So you're left with disappointment: four seasons in the SEC and nothing to show for it.

But my hope is that Anderson's third year results in some serious progress. There's an opportunity to do it, since the SEC is once again a weak league with room for growth.

I have to say, though, I really miss Big 12 basketball. I understand the university absolutely had to accept the SEC's invitation -- they'd be crazy not to -- and it's such an unbelievable step up for football and many other athletic programs. But, from a strictly men's basketball perspective, I wasn't very excited about the SEC. Outside of Kentucky, basketball isn't a priority in this league and it never will be. I'm not accusing SEC schools of not caring about basketball at all, because if you ever see a great home crowd at a place like Florida or Arkansas you'll know that's not the case. But basketball is such a distant priority compared to football, much more distant than other leagues. And considering Missouri has been traditionally very much a basketball school, it's disappointing to be a in a league that cares first and foremost about football and then views basketball as a sport to pass the time in the winter.

If men's basketball was the only consideration (and obviously, it's not, nor should it be), I would have had so much fun following Mizzou in the Big Ten. I know that's probably an unpopular statement, but I'd so much rather play a February road game at Purdue or Iowa than at Ole Miss.
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Article on potential programs to challenge UK in SEC - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 08:42:19
     UK hiring calipari has damaged college basketball severely - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 16:17:12
     Ben Howland recruiting - Nookam UK - 9/13 12:46:04
          RE: Ben Howland recruiting - Phoggy08 KU - 9/13 14:53:07
               RE: Ben Howland recruiting - Nookam UK - 9/13 16:02:01
                    RE: Ben Howland recruiting - Phoggy08 KU - 9/14 11:45:38
                    There were actually three Davidsons... (nm) - KC_MizzouFan MU - 9/14 07:33:38
          no bag man at MU - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 13:02:41
     I see three NCAA Tournament teams again - mizzoudiehard MU - 9/13 11:51:58
     i thought missouri would do well outside the big12 ... - tmcats KSU - 9/13 11:23:26
          Its bizarre - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 13:52:46
          Haith ran us into the ground then fled under cover of night - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/13 13:05:02
          We should be dominating in the SEC. - Evenflow MU - 9/13 12:45:33
               Why? We never won a conference title in the Big 12 - MakeShift MU - 9/13 13:16:43
                    "tournament championships" would be better words, fiji(nm) - tmcats KSU - 9/13 14:35:31
                         Tournament championship is a conference title - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:39:33
                              So we didn't win the conference title in 1994? - MakeShift MU - 9/13 17:22:34
                                   Of course, that is also an example of a conf title (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 18:40:31
                              This appears to be a good spot to go ahead and unload my 10. - sprintcar STL - 9/13 15:09:00
                              it's a conference tournament title, not a conference title. - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/13 14:48:23
                                   RE: it's a conference tournament title, not a conference title. - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 14:54:56
                                        Suck it, beaker. - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/13 15:22:11
                                             RE: Suck it, beaker. - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 15:27:37
                                   Not accurate - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:51:55
                                        Have you ever considered suicide? - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/13 15:23:51
                                             I can't relate, but condolences if you find yourself in such - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 15:26:57
                                        the banners in the gym say conf champ and conf tour - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 14:54:08
                                             And both are examples of a conference title (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:59:34
                                                  not really and not even close - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 15:01:18
                                                       Obviously they are, and it isn't really even debatable(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 15:16:40
                                                            To borrow from a more knowledgeable poster, - sprintcar STL - 9/13 15:20:58
                                                                 You don't think the conference tourney championship is - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 15:22:47
                                             RE: the banners in the gym say conf champ and conf tour - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 14:56:48
                                                  he knows the difference he just likes to act like a - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 14:58:54
                                                       RE: he knows the difference he just likes to act like a - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 15:12:53
                    We won 2 of the last 4 conference titles in the Big 12(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 13:54:56
                         RE: We won 2 of the last 4 conference titles in the Big 12(nm) - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 14:21:19
                              RE: We won 2 of the last 4 conference titles in the Big 12(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:27:20
                                   RE: We won 2 of the last 4 conference titles in the Big 12(nm) - Phoggy08 KU - 9/13 14:55:12
                                        That is also a conference title - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:58:31
                                             RE: That is also a conference title - Phoggy08 KU - 9/13 15:11:37
                                   RE: We won 2 of the last 4 conference titles in the Big 12(nm) - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 14:49:50
                                        I can never follow your convoluted questions or determine - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:54:11
                                             RE: I can never follow your convoluted questions or determine - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 15:11:03
                                                  Nobody claims any of these weird things you try and - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 15:19:26
                                                       RE: Nobody claims any of these weird things you try and - BuckTurgidson KU - 9/13 15:26:14
                                   big 12 does wordmanship their titles ... - tmcats KSU - 9/13 14:34:26
                                        man, that is alot of asterisks. - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:38:30
                         They don't understand that - Rabbit Test MU - 9/13 13:59:43
                              I can understand the need to try and find angles - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 14:12:52
                    He didn't say "dominating basketball force" and he didn't - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 13:42:26
                    But but but.... - sprintcar STL - 9/13 13:33:55
                         Actual results. - sprintcar STL - 9/13 14:47:23
                         That is silly and false. MU is at worst one of the top - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 13:56:10
                         Why do you hate the program, sprintcar? (nm) - Evenflow MU - 9/13 13:54:14
                         Historically, we're top 25-30. "Dominate" is a bit much - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/13 13:45:53
                         that's simply factually incorrect, but go on. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 13:42:58
                              You're actually right. I should have said slightly above - sprintcar STL - 9/13 14:58:09
                    Well, the administration hired Kim. - Evenflow MU - 9/13 13:25:44
               absolutely, it's our birth right - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 13:01:43
          I don't think the SEC contributed to our troubles. - mizzoudiehard MU - 9/13 12:36:56
          MU hired Kim Anderson (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 11:23:47
               you guys are being mean so I'm leaving forever - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 12:52:23
               they also hired haith who did missouri no favors(nm) - tmcats KSU - 9/13 11:25:59
                    He doesn't understand that the crap Haith did needed cleaned - Uncle John MU - 9/13 11:30:24
                         sure I do - I just don't accept the implication that Kim And - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 13:39:48
                         RE: He doesn't understand that the crap Haith did needed cleaned - TigerUppercut MU - 9/13 11:57:22
                              This is the truth. Did Haith leave Kim a tourney team? No. - StaleyTiger MU - 9/13 12:14:40
                                   well put (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 13:51:08
                              Then they will both will be gone, simple enough.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 9/13 12:02:32
                                   And you'll then be here repeatedly bad-mouthing Kim Anderson - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 14:25:39
     What's the coaches name from Mississippi State? - UMR85 MU - 9/13 11:03:16
          he gets more time like most coaches in the real world - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 13:06:03
          Does that make KA better in some way? Maybe you want - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 11:21:11
               Just a little jab at all the MU haters slobbering Howie - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 11:47:05
                    Thinking Howland would have been a much, much, much - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 13:41:10
                         Thats an illogical conclusion on your part - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 16:19:16
                         and his reward for being such a tremendous coach is to spend - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 15:03:44
          Howie - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 11:07:33
     Anderson's only made the tournament 1 time in 5 years? - XRob MU - 9/13 09:39:03
          He made a big mistake leaving MU - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 09:40:56
               He made a mistake leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. - StaleyTiger MU - 9/13 12:17:00
               Nope - Diamond Dave MU - 9/13 11:08:14
                    His system is the problem. Good players don't want to play - Uncle John MU - 9/13 11:14:32
                         I dunno about that. He's had like three top ten classes. - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/13 12:58:57
                         His recruiting has been good there - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/13 11:29:21
                              RE: His recruiting has been good there - TigerUppercut MU - 9/13 11:55:58
                              Juco kids are probably the answer for him along with some - Uncle John MU - 9/13 11:32:27
                         Yep. "Hey run your a$$ off for 25+ mins a game - Diamond Dave MU - 9/13 11:19:22
                              "Hey run your a$$ off for 25+ mins a game - Rabbit Test MU - 9/13 11:26:50
                              And all you do in early season practices is run until you - Uncle John MU - 9/13 11:22:16
     Hopefully these teams do compete and the conference has - Uncle John MU - 9/13 09:29:10
     I could see UK jumping to the ACC someday(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/13 09:28:29
          I couldn't. UK is SEC 4 LYFE - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/13 10:04:04
               RE: I couldn't. UK is SEC 4 LYFE - TigerUppercut MU - 9/13 12:00:50
          Maybe they could swap with Clemson or Florida St(nm) - Uncle John MU - 9/13 09:29:46
     RE: You seem to have cut off Missouri when you copied the - Newman MU - 9/13 09:11:39
          MU has an old white coach which makes a bunch of mid-MO - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 09:23:49
               you're an old timer so why aren't you happy - Jeff85 MU - 9/13 12:53:55
                    I'm not a bigot and I'm actually vested in MU being good in - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 13:54:12
                         Only bigots dislike Haif? - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 16:22:28
                              I'd argue calling him Haif constantly is a bit racist nm - TigerUppercut MU - 9/13 17:12:52
                                   Wrong. - Mr. Orange SU - 9/14 05:20:54
               They should be. The 3 years Prior to KA we had no coach - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 10:49:34
                    the prior 3 years doesn't make the current situation any bet - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 11:22:36
                    That certainly seemed to be the prevailing thought... - tigerdb MU - 9/13 11:16:41
          RE: You seem to have cut off Missouri when you copied the - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 09:15:15
     and to think that we havent won on the road in 2 years in - NWMizzouFan MU - 9/13 08:55:17
          we have barely won at home, which is frankly more amazing(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 09:02:25
               Thanks to fans like you - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 09:10:50
                    I had no role in hiring a D2 coach (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 09:13:31
                         You abandoned your team - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 09:19:48
                              By posting about them daily and watching all their games?(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/13 09:22:38
                                   By calling players D2 - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 09:24:19
                                   By hoping they lose - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 09:23:42
                                        Why didn't your hoping they win work? don't be a - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 09:32:05
                                             False dichotomy - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 09:42:49
                                                  It isn't a dichotomy at all, let alone a false dichotomy. - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 10:02:12
                                                       Wrong. Your comparison of me hoping for wins to - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 10:05:16
                                                            it isn't even a dichotomy. there isn't a forced choice betw - 90Tiger MU - 9/13 11:23:30
                                                                 Misstating the argument now - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 11:48:56
                                        Even if he did hope the lose I doubt that has - TheWildcat STL - 9/13 09:27:40
                                             He isnt the only one not going to games to cheer for - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 09:43:50
                                                  Are you going to games to support Kim Anderson? - tigerdb MU - 9/13 11:44:32
                                                       I never went to the games in Columbia regardless of coach - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 11:50:26
                                                            did you go to Kim's games in Warrensburg? - tigerdb MU - 9/13 12:02:15
                                                                 No. I prefer watching basketball on tv - Mr. Orange SU - 9/13 12:33:57




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