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With the current terms ("100% guaranteed") we cannot give

Posted on: March 22, 2025 at 22:45:06 CT
zounami MU
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Gates another raise or extension, ever.

He's not a good enough coach to have a "100% guaranteed" buyout. That's for *proven* coaches like Mark Few, Bill Self, Bruce Pearl, etc... not guys who can go 0-19 and might need to be fired.

With a "100% guaranteed" buyout, we would owe the entire contract. So any (further) raise or extension would make it prohibitively expensive to fire him, and that's unacceptable.

It doesn't matter now, but it will matter when we eventually need to fire him *or* extend his contract.

Hypothetically, if we buy Gates another loaded roster and it takes him to the Sweet 16 or beyond, there would be pressure/expectations to give him a raise/extension. The AD would need to *insist* that the buyout terms are renegotiated to something more reasonable (e.g. owing 50% instead of 100%) before agreeing to any raise or extension.




Edited by zounami at 22:55:50 on 03/22/25
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when someone defends Gates with "he made the tourney"... - zounami MU - 3/22 21:55:31
     Look at the bright side - a school from Iowa with 8 Missouri - alstl MU - 3/23 08:08:14
     Arky should be our window - MoGold MU - 3/23 01:42:07
          The reason MU is what it is in sports is because they - alwaysright MU - 3/23 07:06:10
               Stalcup was still coaching our program in the early 60s, he - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 08:12:21
               This is the correct answer(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 3/23 07:32:07
     RE: when someone defends Gates with "he made the tourney"... - implode STL - 3/23 00:00:39
          I think Gates can recruit but he is not a good coach - MoGold MU - 3/23 01:46:57
     I don't think his mentor was known as an X and O - MUTGR MU - 3/22 23:50:24
     Is always been easy for MU to make the tourney - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 22:51:40
          Just haven’t been enough good seasons (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:56:22
               good-enough coaches, or good-enough rosters... NIL allows - zounami MU - 3/22 23:00:58
          correct, but now it's even easier (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:52:24
               It’s the same amount of easy - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 22:57:20
                    no, NIL and a 68-team field make it much easier (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:00:17
                         That has no real impact, all teams have that(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:13:05
                              88% of the SEC (14 of 16) made the tourney... it's easier - zounami MU - 3/22 23:13:53
                                   There are zero years since the tournament expanded that - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:17:01
                                        NIL is why 88% of the SEC made the tournament... - zounami MU - 3/22 23:17:38
                                             No, hoops was prioritized and schools hired guys like - alwaysright MU - 3/23 07:48:53
                                             Disagree. Barely a relevant factor and not a driver(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:19:20
                                                  btw, we all know how you feel about NIL... you're heavily - zounami MU - 3/22 23:20:10
                                                  Go ahead and believe it's just a coincidence. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:19:40
                                                       It’s not even a coincidence. It’s an unrelated measurement - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:21:11
                                                            if it's not a coincidence, then you're saying NIL was the - zounami MU - 3/22 23:22:33
                              Mizzou outspent most of the teams. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:13:20
                                   That is made up, and even if true would not - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:15:13
                                        It's absolutely true. And NIL helped the entire SEC... - zounami MU - 3/22 23:15:55
                                             That was based on noncon results and success, not because - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:18:20
                                                  Causation. The non-con success was a result of the NIL - zounami MU - 3/22 23:19:20
                                                       That is silly, but believe it if you like (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:22:22
                                                            we'll have to agree to disagree (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:23:00
     Drink better make the playoffs next year...said it is the - Carlos Rossi KC - 3/22 22:26:20
          all those weird TBIMs you sent me aged like fine milk (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:28:01
          you've got egg all over your face (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:27:34
     You are so desperate for attention, quite sad - smoke MU - 3/22 22:16:56
          no counterpoint, just a low IQ ad hom (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:14
               Lol (nm) - smoke MU - 3/22 22:21:35
          Craves attention like no other. HIs mother must have... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:19:15
               no counterpoint, just a low IQ ad hom (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:28
                    Lol (nm) - smoke MU - 3/22 22:22:37
     Matched Haith’s best season with - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:02:23
          Haiths best season won a conf championship - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 22:55:47
          Lol (nm) - Uncle John MU - 3/22 22:27:52
          yep, they both sucked in the NCAA Tournament (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:11:57
               So far Gates 1-2 tournament record - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:12:39
                    I'd argue its worse, given that both losses were blowouts to - zounami MU - 3/22 22:13:39
                         Haith lost to a 15 seed. Damn, you are dumb af and... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:15:28
                              and *Gates* lost to a 15 seed, genius (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:15:45
                                   So how is Gates worse considering Gates actually... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:16:37
                                        15 seed *and* an 11 seed... both blowouts (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:18:00
                                             *and* - we're dealing with a retard here. (nm) - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:21:20
                                                  no counterpoint, just a low IQ ad hom (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:21:44
                                   ... in fact, BLOWN OUT by the 15 seed (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:16:26
                                        Do you not know how to edit your post so you don't... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:17:33
                                             who gives af?.. sometimes I prefer to add rather than edit (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:56
                                                  You add nothing. (nm) - haeffb MU - 3/23 05:40:58
                         Yes a win is worse than no wins (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:15:06
                              he beat a mid-major, and got blown out by 2 of them (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:15:29
                                   Yes like I said 1 win is worse than 0 wins (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:21:55
                                        2 blowouts to low-seeded mid-majors... no one gaf about the - zounami MU - 3/22 22:22:31
                                             Yes that’s how you get that a win is worse - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:25:02
     You forgot he cashes a $4.1 million check. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 3/22 21:59:43
          worse than that, are his buyout terms... those MUST be - zounami MU - 3/22 22:01:06
               I don't understand how that buyout thing is even possible. - Uncle John MU - 3/22 22:17:59
                    4th biggest buyout in the SEC (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:22:33
                         list the top 4 of the SEC and their buyouts (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:24:07
                              Could be lower than 4th a couple coaches buyouts not listed - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:27:49
                                   That article shows just how CRAZY Gates' buyout terms are... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:30:41
                                        The buyout doesn’t even matter at this stage. - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:34:41
                                             With the current terms ("100% guaranteed") we cannot give - zounami MU - 3/22 22:45:06
                                                  Why even worry about those hypotheticals? - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:48:00
                                                       The hypothetical is "we'll need to extend his contract... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:58:57
                                                            Yea why worry about that - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 23:04:46
                                                                 False choice. We can enjoy such a season and be responsible - zounami MU - 3/22 23:13:06
                                                                      NC State wanted to fire Keatts a year ago - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 23:16:31
                                                                           That's the point. A coach can have a good season and still - zounami MU - 3/22 23:21:57
                                                                                Yea why even worry about that - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 23:35:30
                    It's truly mind-boggling. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:03
               ...with the current buyout terms, an extension would make it - zounami MU - 3/22 22:02:12
                    We need a big donor that wants him gone to help out. - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:06:26
                         DRF really f*cked us with the 2023 contract's buyout terms (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:06:56
                              What are the terms? i really don't know them. Sorry - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:08:42
                                   This post fully explains the situation... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:10:15
                                        Damn, so we still owe him 8.5 MIL?? That SUCKS. - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:15:37
                                             no, we still owe him *** $17 MILLION *** (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:21:28
                                                  Oh ok, i thought cause he had 2 yrs left at 4.25 MIL, - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:28:39
                                                       He has 4 years remaining, 100% fully guaranteed... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:31:39




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