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when someone defends Gates with "he made the tourney"...

Posted on: March 22, 2025 at 21:55:31 CT
zounami MU
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I can't help but laugh.

88% of the SEC – 14 of 16 teams – made the tourney.

It's analogous to "Drink made a bowl game".

It's never been easier for Mizzou to reach the NCAAT with NIL, the portal, and a 68-team field.

The question is whether a team got better or worse over the course of a season, and if the roster was maximized to its fullest potential.

Gates failed miserably in both of those regards, once again.

He went 22-12 (worse than Haith's *worst* season) despite an easy non-conference schedule, lost 6 of 8 down the stretch, and ended the season with *another* early knockout by a lowly seeded mid-major.

Over 3 years, Gates' conference win-% is .381 ... To put that into perspective, Haith's conference win-% was .640 during his 3-year tenure.

Gates coaching ineptitude is amplified in the NCAA Tournament, when coaches have more time & incentive to watch film and game-plan – which are things that Gates just doesn't do. He rolls the ball out at practice, and that's about it.
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when someone defends Gates with "he made the tourney"... - zounami MU - 3/22 21:55:31
     Look at the bright side - a school from Iowa with 8 Missouri - alstl MU - 3/23 08:08:14
     Arky should be our window - MoGold MU - 3/23 01:42:07
          The reason MU is what it is in sports is because they - alwaysright MU - 3/23 07:06:10
               Stalcup was still coaching our program in the early 60s, he - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 08:12:21
               This is the correct answer(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 3/23 07:32:07
     RE: when someone defends Gates with "he made the tourney"... - implode STL - 3/23 00:00:39
          I think Gates can recruit but he is not a good coach - MoGold MU - 3/23 01:46:57
     I don't think his mentor was known as an X and O - MUTGR MU - 3/22 23:50:24
     Is always been easy for MU to make the tourney - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 22:51:40
          Just haven’t been enough good seasons (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:56:22
               good-enough coaches, or good-enough rosters... NIL allows - zounami MU - 3/22 23:00:58
          correct, but now it's even easier (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:52:24
               It’s the same amount of easy - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 22:57:20
                    no, NIL and a 68-team field make it much easier (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:00:17
                         That has no real impact, all teams have that(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:13:05
                              88% of the SEC (14 of 16) made the tourney... it's easier - zounami MU - 3/22 23:13:53
                                   There are zero years since the tournament expanded that - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:17:01
                                        NIL is why 88% of the SEC made the tournament... - zounami MU - 3/22 23:17:38
                                             No, hoops was prioritized and schools hired guys like - alwaysright MU - 3/23 07:48:53
                                             Disagree. Barely a relevant factor and not a driver(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:19:20
                                                  btw, we all know how you feel about NIL... you're heavily - zounami MU - 3/22 23:20:10
                                                  Go ahead and believe it's just a coincidence. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:19:40
                                                       It’s not even a coincidence. It’s an unrelated measurement - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:21:11
                                                            if it's not a coincidence, then you're saying NIL was the - zounami MU - 3/22 23:22:33
                              Mizzou outspent most of the teams. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:13:20
                                   That is made up, and even if true would not - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:15:13
                                        It's absolutely true. And NIL helped the entire SEC... - zounami MU - 3/22 23:15:55
                                             That was based on noncon results and success, not because - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:18:20
                                                  Causation. The non-con success was a result of the NIL - zounami MU - 3/22 23:19:20
                                                       That is silly, but believe it if you like (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 23:22:22
                                                            we'll have to agree to disagree (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 23:23:00
     Drink better make the playoffs next year...said it is the - Carlos Rossi KC - 3/22 22:26:20
          all those weird TBIMs you sent me aged like fine milk (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:28:01
          you've got egg all over your face (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:27:34
     You are so desperate for attention, quite sad - smoke MU - 3/22 22:16:56
          no counterpoint, just a low IQ ad hom (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:14
               Lol (nm) - smoke MU - 3/22 22:21:35
          Craves attention like no other. HIs mother must have... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:19:15
               no counterpoint, just a low IQ ad hom (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:28
                    Lol (nm) - smoke MU - 3/22 22:22:37
     Matched Haith’s best season with - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:02:23
          Haiths best season won a conf championship - FIJItiger MU - 3/22 22:55:47
          Lol (nm) - Uncle John MU - 3/22 22:27:52
          yep, they both sucked in the NCAA Tournament (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:11:57
               So far Gates 1-2 tournament record - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:12:39
                    I'd argue its worse, given that both losses were blowouts to - zounami MU - 3/22 22:13:39
                         Haith lost to a 15 seed. Damn, you are dumb af and... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:15:28
                              and *Gates* lost to a 15 seed, genius (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:15:45
                                   So how is Gates worse considering Gates actually... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:16:37
                                        15 seed *and* an 11 seed... both blowouts (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:18:00
                                             *and* - we're dealing with a retard here. (nm) - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:21:20
                                                  no counterpoint, just a low IQ ad hom (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:21:44
                                   ... in fact, BLOWN OUT by the 15 seed (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:16:26
                                        Do you not know how to edit your post so you don't... - Lerxst MU - 3/22 22:17:33
                                             who gives af?.. sometimes I prefer to add rather than edit (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:56
                                                  You add nothing. (nm) - haeffb MU - 3/23 05:40:58
                         Yes a win is worse than no wins (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:15:06
                              he beat a mid-major, and got blown out by 2 of them (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:15:29
                                   Yes like I said 1 win is worse than 0 wins (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:21:55
                                        2 blowouts to low-seeded mid-majors... no one gaf about the - zounami MU - 3/22 22:22:31
                                             Yes that’s how you get that a win is worse - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:25:02
     You forgot he cashes a $4.1 million check. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 3/22 21:59:43
          worse than that, are his buyout terms... those MUST be - zounami MU - 3/22 22:01:06
               I don't understand how that buyout thing is even possible. - Uncle John MU - 3/22 22:17:59
                    4th biggest buyout in the SEC (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:22:33
                         list the top 4 of the SEC and their buyouts (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:24:07
                              Could be lower than 4th a couple coaches buyouts not listed - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:27:49
                                   That article shows just how CRAZY Gates' buyout terms are... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:30:41
                                        The buyout doesn’t even matter at this stage. - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:34:41
                                             With the current terms ("100% guaranteed") we cannot give - zounami MU - 3/22 22:45:06
                                                  Why even worry about those hypotheticals? - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 22:48:00
                                                       The hypothetical is "we'll need to extend his contract... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:58:57
                                                            Yea why worry about that - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 23:04:46
                                                                 False choice. We can enjoy such a season and be responsible - zounami MU - 3/22 23:13:06
                                                                      NC State wanted to fire Keatts a year ago - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 23:16:31
                                                                           That's the point. A coach can have a good season and still - zounami MU - 3/22 23:21:57
                                                                                Yea why even worry about that - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/22 23:35:30
                    It's truly mind-boggling. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:20:03
               ...with the current buyout terms, an extension would make it - zounami MU - 3/22 22:02:12
                    We need a big donor that wants him gone to help out. - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:06:26
                         DRF really f*cked us with the 2023 contract's buyout terms (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:06:56
                              What are the terms? i really don't know them. Sorry - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:08:42
                                   This post fully explains the situation... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:10:15
                                        Damn, so we still owe him 8.5 MIL?? That SUCKS. - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:15:37
                                             no, we still owe him *** $17 MILLION *** (nm) - zounami MU - 3/22 22:21:28
                                                  Oh ok, i thought cause he had 2 yrs left at 4.25 MIL, - mutigers4ever1 MU - 3/22 22:28:39
                                                       He has 4 years remaining, 100% fully guaranteed... - zounami MU - 3/22 22:31:39




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