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Now you are jumping to false conclusions. Are one or two

Posted on: September 6, 2024 at 21:36:00 CT
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logical fallacies in one thread not sufficient for you?

1. I don't reject the science behind evolution or geology.

"Your “proof” was talking about a human being. You have to define a human being that everyone agrees upon."

The expert witnesses from around the world and all of the embryology textbooks used in medical schools agreed upon what a human being is.

There is an ontological change at conception. The two gametes, specialized reproductive cells, the sperm from the fatherm and the oocyte (egg) from the mother, each have 23 human chromosomes. When they combine into a single cell a new human being comes into existence. It is a 'being' by any scientific definition and has unique DNA different from both it's mother and its father. The only physical things that new, unique human being needs throughout the rest of his or her lifespan is a safe place to live and nutrition - food and hydration.

That being has a human mother and a human father. Do you believe that perhaps it might be a frog being, or perhaps a duck being? No, any rational scientist will tell you that it is a human being. Any other answer would be absurd, of course.

There are no other ontological changes like the one that occurs at conception throughout that new human beings lifetime.
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So JimD removed my post asking a specific poster - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 17:45:43
     What is the relevancy of this question? Most - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 23:40:17
          relevance??? your position is the right of the mother over h - 90Tiger STL - 9/7 16:49:59
          It is not “potentiality” - Spanky KU - 9/7 00:09:11
               No, it is potentiality. Not all aborted would result in a - TigerMatt MISS - 9/7 08:41:06
               RE: It is not “potentiality” - Toger STL - 9/7 06:11:52
     Why would anyone think that would be a minor assault? - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 18:08:00
          lol, mac, you're a clever gob of mud. How do you - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 18:30:58
               ???I don't support a federal right to abort. - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 19:58:37
                    i didn't say you supported it, but that's the general - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:24:02
                    The question shouldn't really be about whether you support - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:18:45
                         Do you think the state should ban all abortions even - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:26:38
                              The answer to your question is no, but you must understand - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:38:36
                                   Quoting Catholic propaganda. If a woman developed cancer - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:01:16
                                        You either didn't read, or didn't understand what the doctor - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:10:16
                                             So damaging and inflicting pain is ok on the fetus then.(nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:11:54
                                                  Not intentionally, of course. (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:18:53
                                                       A pregnant woman undergoing cancer treatment is - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:29:43
                                                            You are not being rational, Matt. As noted in the article, - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:42:34
                                                                 You are making an argument that it is ok to put the life - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:03:44
                                                                      If the mother dies, they both die. Those are the situations - JeffB MU - 9/6 22:23:13
                                                                           You keep ignoring my questions on the soul because you - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:25:47
          The point is the redefinition of the child depending upon - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:09:34
               It is because in one case, a woman is choosing a medical - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:50:44
                    "a medical procedure done to her body" is such a gentle - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:52:33
                         The crime/sin is not what she has done to *her* body, but - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:24:36
                         What does it matter if the father objects unless - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:05:00
                              'unless you want to strip away bodily ownership from people' - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:53:37
                              It matters to a lot of prospective fathers, Matt, no matter - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:18:10
                                   Feelings don’t override the bodily autonomy of another - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:22:21
                                        and the bodily autonomy of one person do not override - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:55:37
                                             If some dude’s penis is in your ass, would you feel bad - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:23:17
                                        Sure, and a baby = an unwanted wart. Go with that, - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:24:58
                                             I didn’t say that. Your emotions are preventing you - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:28:24
                                                  Irony (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:55:59
                                                  lol, emotions? stop projecting, matt. there's no emotion in - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:38:21
                                                       I’ve never made such arguments. I oppose blanket - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:12:50
                                                            if you consider the right to her body absolute, the only - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 21:25:48
                                                                 I’m not assuming any position is moral. I’m trying to get - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:13:40
                                                                      on this i agree with you (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/7 15:49:38
                                                            You consider laws prohibiting the - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:20:31
                                                                 Again,, define human being. Prove that Theory of Mind - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:25:52
                                                                      I can't really dumb it down any further for you than - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:52:11
                                                                           Jeff, the Theory of Mind does not override science. It is - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:10:44
                    Under German law at the time, killing people with Downs - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:54:35
                         Why don’t you ask God? Read Exodus 21. The unborn did not - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:55:50
                              appeal to authority, even as a rhetorical device, is still - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:53:30
                                   You’re showing signs of dementia. Jeff is a Catholic who - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:20:33
                                        I'm not speaking of any Catholic dogma other than - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:59:42
                                             You bring a presupposition that a fetus is a human being. - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:11:15
                                                  Whether or not a fetus is a human being is a scientific - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:17:28
                                                       You are appealing to science, the same science you reject on - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:25:09
                                                            Now you are jumping to false conclusions. Are one or two - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:36:00
                                                                 No Jeff. You are confusing “human life” with “human - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:50:30
                                                                      When do human beings (normally) begin? - JeffB MU - 9/6 22:04:07
                                                                           Jeff, you can keep parroting the same ****. But - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:20:11
                                        i don't GAF about you and Jeff, Matt. You both hijack thread - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:25:30
                                             The topic is still the same. I’m just pointing out the - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:29:50
                                                  You are not 'pointing anything out', you are making unfounde - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:04:31
                                                       And I pointed out your premise is flawed.(nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:16:15
                                                            No you didn't. You pointed out that you don't know the - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:21:53
                                                                 Scientific consensus does not exist on what is a human being - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:33:04
                              Why the red herring? Are you embarrassed to answer the - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:58:18
                                   It answers your question dummy. If a woman had a miscarriage - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:59:08
                                        No it doesn't. I asked YOU two questions, you answered - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:06:29
                                             Again, Exodus 21 doesn’t treat the unborn fetus as - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:09:07
                                                  I asked what YOU believe. Is THAT what you believe? If not, - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:21:30
                                                       What I believe doesn’t influence law. I gave the - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:23:24
                                                            Actually, you gave your own interpretation as to why the - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:32:24
                                                                 You are incapable of following logic. You brain defaults - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:35:56
                                                                      You do not understand the Sacred Scriptures, and are - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:45:41
                                                                           You are a heretic. Your own Catechism says the Mosaic - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:46:40
                                                                                Start a new thread if you want to argue your poor understand - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:11:20
                                                                                nice thread hijack (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:18:31
                                                  As if the rules in some old book are needed to determine - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 19:15:03
                                                       this is solid, even to someone not religious like myself - - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:55:58
               When Ghenghis Kahn arrives at the gate saying the rape and - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 18:50:17
               Trump has often said it's a states issue. I agree - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 18:13:32
                    You are throwing out a red herring. What do you believe? - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:51:40
                         So Jeff, where are you on pregnancy from rape/incest etc? - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 20:10:42
                         He's like every liberal - knows for a damn fact it's outrigh - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 19:07:32
                    this isn't about Trump (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 18:32:44
     That highlights the blatant contradiction that was very - JeffB MU - 9/6 17:57:24
          Well in the Mosaic Law it was just a fine. And in - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:49:00
               more red herrings (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:54:02
               The Mosaic Law was just that... law that Moses made up. - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:01:42
                    Well the writer of Exodus said it was handed down from God. - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:06:07
                         No, you misunderstand both the Sacred Scriptures and Church - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:27:41
                              From the Catechism of the Catholic Church - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:39:55
                                   I don't blame you for not giving up your red herring rather - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:15:34
                              You Catholics are really Biblically illiterate. Read Exodus - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:33:12
     To expect any Dem to answer honestly is, laughable.(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 17:53:32




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