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'unless you want to strip away bodily ownership from people'

Posted on: September 6, 2024 at 20:53:37 CT
JeffB MU
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There is a famous legal adage that goes along the lines of, "Your right to swing your fist ends where your neighbor's nose begins."

In similar fashion a person has property rights, but that does not extend to having a right to kill the kid who is running through your vegetable garden to get his ball.

In the case of abortion, a mother's bodily autonomy does not give her the right to rip the arms and legs off of her unborn child, nor to intentionally kill him/her in any other fashion.
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So JimD removed my post asking a specific poster - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 17:45:43
     What is the relevancy of this question? Most - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 23:40:17
          relevance??? your position is the right of the mother over h - 90Tiger STL - 9/7 16:49:59
          It is not “potentiality” - Spanky KU - 9/7 00:09:11
               No, it is potentiality. Not all aborted would result in a - TigerMatt MISS - 9/7 08:41:06
               RE: It is not “potentiality” - Toger STL - 9/7 06:11:52
     Why would anyone think that would be a minor assault? - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 18:08:00
          lol, mac, you're a clever gob of mud. How do you - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 18:30:58
               ???I don't support a federal right to abort. - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 19:58:37
                    i didn't say you supported it, but that's the general - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:24:02
                    The question shouldn't really be about whether you support - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:18:45
                         Do you think the state should ban all abortions even - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:26:38
                              The answer to your question is no, but you must understand - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:38:36
                                   Quoting Catholic propaganda. If a woman developed cancer - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:01:16
                                        You either didn't read, or didn't understand what the doctor - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:10:16
                                             So damaging and inflicting pain is ok on the fetus then.(nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:11:54
                                                  Not intentionally, of course. (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:18:53
                                                       A pregnant woman undergoing cancer treatment is - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:29:43
                                                            You are not being rational, Matt. As noted in the article, - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:42:34
                                                                 You are making an argument that it is ok to put the life - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:03:44
                                                                      If the mother dies, they both die. Those are the situations - JeffB MU - 9/6 22:23:13
                                                                           You keep ignoring my questions on the soul because you - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:25:47
          The point is the redefinition of the child depending upon - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:09:34
               It is because in one case, a woman is choosing a medical - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:50:44
                    "a medical procedure done to her body" is such a gentle - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:52:33
                         The crime/sin is not what she has done to *her* body, but - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:24:36
                         What does it matter if the father objects unless - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:05:00
                              'unless you want to strip away bodily ownership from people' - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:53:37
                              It matters to a lot of prospective fathers, Matt, no matter - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:18:10
                                   Feelings don’t override the bodily autonomy of another - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:22:21
                                        and the bodily autonomy of one person do not override - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:55:37
                                             If some dude’s penis is in your ass, would you feel bad - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:23:17
                                        Sure, and a baby = an unwanted wart. Go with that, - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:24:58
                                             I didn’t say that. Your emotions are preventing you - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:28:24
                                                  Irony (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:55:59
                                                  lol, emotions? stop projecting, matt. there's no emotion in - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:38:21
                                                       I’ve never made such arguments. I oppose blanket - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:12:50
                                                            if you consider the right to her body absolute, the only - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 21:25:48
                                                                 I’m not assuming any position is moral. I’m trying to get - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:13:40
                                                                      on this i agree with you (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/7 15:49:38
                                                            You consider laws prohibiting the - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:20:31
                                                                 Again,, define human being. Prove that Theory of Mind - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:25:52
                                                                      I can't really dumb it down any further for you than - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:52:11
                                                                           Jeff, the Theory of Mind does not override science. It is - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:10:44
                    Under German law at the time, killing people with Downs - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:54:35
                         Why don’t you ask God? Read Exodus 21. The unborn did not - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:55:50
                              appeal to authority, even as a rhetorical device, is still - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:53:30
                                   You’re showing signs of dementia. Jeff is a Catholic who - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:20:33
                                        I'm not speaking of any Catholic dogma other than - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:59:42
                                             You bring a presupposition that a fetus is a human being. - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:11:15
                                                  Whether or not a fetus is a human being is a scientific - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:17:28
                                                       You are appealing to science, the same science you reject on - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:25:09
                                                            Now you are jumping to false conclusions. Are one or two - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:36:00
                                                                 No Jeff. You are confusing “human life” with “human - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:50:30
                                                                      When do human beings (normally) begin? - JeffB MU - 9/6 22:04:07
                                                                           Jeff, you can keep parroting the same ****. But - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 22:20:11
                                        i don't GAF about you and Jeff, Matt. You both hijack thread - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:25:30
                                             The topic is still the same. I’m just pointing out the - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 20:29:50
                                                  You are not 'pointing anything out', you are making unfounde - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:04:31
                                                       And I pointed out your premise is flawed.(nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:16:15
                                                            No you didn't. You pointed out that you don't know the - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:21:53
                                                                 Scientific consensus does not exist on what is a human being - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 21:33:04
                              Why the red herring? Are you embarrassed to answer the - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:58:18
                                   It answers your question dummy. If a woman had a miscarriage - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:59:08
                                        No it doesn't. I asked YOU two questions, you answered - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:06:29
                                             Again, Exodus 21 doesn’t treat the unborn fetus as - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:09:07
                                                  I asked what YOU believe. Is THAT what you believe? If not, - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:21:30
                                                       What I believe doesn’t influence law. I gave the - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:23:24
                                                            Actually, you gave your own interpretation as to why the - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:32:24
                                                                 You are incapable of following logic. You brain defaults - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:35:56
                                                                      You do not understand the Sacred Scriptures, and are - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:45:41
                                                                           You are a heretic. Your own Catechism says the Mosaic - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:46:40
                                                                                Start a new thread if you want to argue your poor understand - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:11:20
                                                                                nice thread hijack (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:18:31
                                                  As if the rules in some old book are needed to determine - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 19:15:03
                                                       this is solid, even to someone not religious like myself - - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:55:58
               When Ghenghis Kahn arrives at the gate saying the rape and - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 18:50:17
               Trump has often said it's a states issue. I agree - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 18:13:32
                    You are throwing out a red herring. What do you believe? - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:51:40
                         So Jeff, where are you on pregnancy from rape/incest etc? - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 20:10:42
                         He's like every liberal - knows for a damn fact it's outrigh - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 19:07:32
                    this isn't about Trump (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 18:32:44
     That highlights the blatant contradiction that was very - JeffB MU - 9/6 17:57:24
          Well in the Mosaic Law it was just a fine. And in - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 18:49:00
               more red herrings (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:54:02
               The Mosaic Law was just that... law that Moses made up. - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:01:42
                    Well the writer of Exodus said it was handed down from God. - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:06:07
                         No, you misunderstand both the Sacred Scriptures and Church - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:27:41
                              From the Catechism of the Catholic Church - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:39:55
                                   I don't blame you for not giving up your red herring rather - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:15:34
                              You Catholics are really Biblically illiterate. Read Exodus - TigerMatt MISS - 9/6 19:33:12
     To expect any Dem to answer honestly is, laughable.(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 17:53:32




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