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No you didn't. You pointed out that you don't know the
Posted on: September 6, 2024 at 21:21:53 CT
JeffB
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So JimD removed my post asking a specific poster
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 17:45:43
What is the relevancy of this question? Most
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 23:40:17
relevance??? your position is the right of the mother over h
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90Tiger
STL
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9/7 16:49:59
It is not “potentiality”
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Spanky
KU
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9/7 00:09:11
No, it is potentiality. Not all aborted would result in a
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/7 08:41:06
RE: It is not “potentiality”
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Toger
STL
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9/7 06:11:52
Why would anyone think that would be a minor assault?
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Macgrantt
MU
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9/6 18:08:00
lol, mac, you're a clever gob of mud. How do you
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 18:30:58
???I don't support a federal right to abort.
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Macgrantt
MU
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9/6 19:58:37
i didn't say you supported it, but that's the general
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 20:24:02
The question shouldn't really be about whether you support
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:18:45
Do you think the state should ban all abortions even
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 20:26:38
The answer to your question is no, but you must understand
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:38:36
Quoting Catholic propaganda. If a woman developed cancer
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:01:16
You either didn't read, or didn't understand what the doctor
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:10:16
So damaging and inflicting pain is ok on the fetus then.(nm)
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:11:54
Not intentionally, of course. (nm)
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:18:53
A pregnant woman undergoing cancer treatment is
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:29:43
You are not being rational, Matt. As noted in the article,
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:42:34
You are making an argument that it is ok to put the life
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 22:03:44
If the mother dies, they both die. Those are the situations
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 22:23:13
You keep ignoring my questions on the soul because you
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 22:25:47
The point is the redefinition of the child depending upon
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 18:09:34
It is because in one case, a woman is choosing a medical
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 18:50:44
"a medical procedure done to her body" is such a gentle
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 19:52:33
The crime/sin is not what she has done to *her* body, but
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:24:36
What does it matter if the father objects unless
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 20:05:00
'unless you want to strip away bodily ownership from people'
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:53:37
It matters to a lot of prospective fathers, Matt, no matter
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 20:18:10
Feelings don’t override the bodily autonomy of another
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 20:22:21
and the bodily autonomy of one person do not override
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:55:37
If some dude’s penis is in your ass, would you feel bad
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 22:23:17
Sure, and a baby = an unwanted wart. Go with that,
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 20:24:58
I didn’t say that. Your emotions are preventing you
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 20:28:24
Irony (nm)
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:55:59
lol, emotions? stop projecting, matt. there's no emotion in
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 20:38:21
I’ve never made such arguments. I oppose blanket
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:12:50
if you consider the right to her body absolute, the only
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 21:25:48
I’m not assuming any position is moral. I’m trying to get
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 22:13:40
on this i agree with you (nm)
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90Tiger
STL
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9/7 15:49:38
You consider laws prohibiting the
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:20:31
Again,, define human being. Prove that Theory of Mind
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:25:52
I can't really dumb it down any further for you than
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:52:11
Jeff, the Theory of Mind does not override science. It is
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 22:10:44
Under German law at the time, killing people with Downs
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 18:54:35
Why don’t you ask God? Read Exodus 21. The unborn did not
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 18:55:50
appeal to authority, even as a rhetorical device, is still
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 19:53:30
You’re showing signs of dementia. Jeff is a Catholic who
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 20:20:33
I'm not speaking of any Catholic dogma other than
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:59:42
You bring a presupposition that a fetus is a human being.
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:11:15
Whether or not a fetus is a human being is a scientific
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:17:28
You are appealing to science, the same science you reject on
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:25:09
Now you are jumping to false conclusions. Are one or two
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:36:00
No Jeff. You are confusing “human life” with “human
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:50:30
When do human beings (normally) begin?
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 22:04:07
Jeff, you can keep parroting the same ****. But
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 22:20:11
i don't GAF about you and Jeff, Matt. You both hijack thread
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 20:25:30
The topic is still the same. I’m just pointing out the
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 20:29:50
You are not 'pointing anything out', you are making unfounde
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:04:31
And I pointed out your premise is flawed.(nm)
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:16:15
No you didn't. You pointed out that you don't know the
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:21:53
Scientific consensus does not exist on what is a human being
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 21:33:04
Why the red herring? Are you embarrassed to answer the
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 18:58:18
It answers your question dummy. If a woman had a miscarriage
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 18:59:08
No it doesn't. I asked YOU two questions, you answered
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 19:06:29
Again, Exodus 21 doesn’t treat the unborn fetus as
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 19:09:07
I asked what YOU believe. Is THAT what you believe? If not,
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 19:21:30
What I believe doesn’t influence law. I gave the
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 19:23:24
Actually, you gave your own interpretation as to why the
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 19:32:24
You are incapable of following logic. You brain defaults
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 19:35:56
You do not understand the Sacred Scriptures, and are
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 19:45:41
You are a heretic. Your own Catechism says the Mosaic
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 19:46:40
Start a new thread if you want to argue your poor understand
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 21:11:20
nice thread hijack (nm)
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 20:18:31
As if the rules in some old book are needed to determine
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RayKinsella1922
SEC
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9/6 19:15:03
this is solid, even to someone not religious like myself -
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 19:55:58
When Ghenghis Kahn arrives at the gate saying the rape and
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RayKinsella1922
SEC
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9/6 18:50:17
Trump has often said it's a states issue. I agree
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Macgrantt
MU
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9/6 18:13:32
You are throwing out a red herring. What do you believe?
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 18:51:40
So Jeff, where are you on pregnancy from rape/incest etc?
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Macgrantt
MU
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9/6 20:10:42
He's like every liberal - knows for a damn fact it's outrigh
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RayKinsella1922
SEC
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9/6 19:07:32
this isn't about Trump (nm)
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 18:32:44
That highlights the blatant contradiction that was very
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 17:57:24
Well in the Mosaic Law it was just a fine. And in
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 18:49:00
more red herrings (nm)
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90Tiger
STL
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9/6 19:54:02
The Mosaic Law was just that... law that Moses made up.
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 19:01:42
Well the writer of Exodus said it was handed down from God.
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 19:06:07
No, you misunderstand both the Sacred Scriptures and Church
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 19:27:41
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 19:39:55
I don't blame you for not giving up your red herring rather
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JeffB
MU
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9/6 20:15:34
You Catholics are really Biblically illiterate. Read Exodus
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TigerMatt
MISS
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9/6 19:33:12
To expect any Dem to answer honestly is, laughable.(nm)
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RayKinsella1922
SEC
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9/6 17:53:32