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Fine. While you and i don't agree totally on natural rights

Posted on: July 3, 2024 at 11:00:02 CT

hokie VT

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i think the disagreement is not so much with the belief that those rights SHOULD exist but more in the fact that they have never been delineated to any degree, or discussed, debated, argued and either dismissed or accepted.

I agree that the foundation of our bill of rights and the constitution itself are derived in some measure from these perceived natural rights.

I think you touched on it earlier in your comment about morality. The NR are imo, similar to the ten commandments. They are morals, they are a way we should live and want to live. But with out them being codified, they cannot imo, be valid to judge, reward or punish behaviour.

Without the discussion, debate, vote and settlement on precise meanings of each, sovereign citizens can argue that drugs are my choice for my body. That i can drink and drive, if someone calls me a name i can kill him.

Too vague, too much left to interpretation and unequally applied in all likelihood.

Natural law may well be the foundation of our laws and our society. But i maintain that our RIGHTS come from government.

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Sadly, as each year goes by, I more so celebrate what - Outsider MU - 7/3 10:23:42

Are you talking about the posters who mock the idea - CulturedDan KC - 7/3 09:10:04

I love the Fourth of July. Great summer holiday. - ummmm MU - 7/3 08:55:19

You favor insurrection? Since the govt is destructive to - hokie VT - 7/3 09:32:24

I favor decentralization of power and reversion to the - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:39:12

Now you say that although ALL taxation is theft, you want - hokie VT - 7/3 09:42:10

All taxation is theft. I want as little theft as possible. (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:43:12

So SOME theft is ok. Does that apply to everyone or just to - hokie VT - 7/3 09:55:22

Theft is never okay. (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:58:15

But you still want some. As little as possible. Does that - hokie VT - 7/3 10:02:18

I don't want any theft ever. Why would I want that? - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:06:06

Because you cannot defend both your statements that ALL tax - hokie VT - 7/3 10:08:24

you're incapable of thinking beyond your beliefs (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/3 11:42:39

He never said he wanted " some theft" - CulturedDan KC - 7/3 10:16:32

But you don't NEED it to spoil. He NEEDS some taxation. nm - hokie VT - 7/3 10:32:29

no he didn't, you're inserting things to find your gotcha (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/3 11:43:08

He didn't say that either - despite your emphasis of it. - CulturedDan KC - 7/3 10:37:33

That's what liars do (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 7/3 10:49:24

All taxation is theft, and I don't want any theft. - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:15:45

You say all taxation is theft and you don't want ANY. Yet - hokie VT - 7/3 10:17:46

I listed the reverse heierarchy of palatble ways to fund a - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:22:42

You should't use words like palatable if you don't know the - hokie VT - 7/3 10:34:18

Now you're just being stupid(nm) - CulturedDan KC - 7/3 10:40:31

Now? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/3 11:45:40

yeah, simple and straight-forward, but hokie and folks like - 90Tiger STL - 7/3 09:23:37

I didn't know i wanted that. I always thought i wanted gov - hokie VT - 7/3 09:34:53

You might say that, but all of the rest of your posts - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:41:02

"...all the rest of my posts.." I don't believe i have EVER - hokie VT - 7/3 09:46:26

you defend gvmt at every turn and mock any voice - 90Tiger STL - 7/3 11:46:35

you defend big government at every turn(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/3 10:23:03

You imply it every day. I know you see yourself as a - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:50:12

The founders were brilliant with regard to what they set - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 09:00:10

They had the exact right ideas. - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:04:35

I think they were fully aware it would eventually fall in on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 09:11:49

no way (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/3 11:47:14

If they were fully aware of that, then we shouldn't - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:13:57

There is no system you can build that will for all of time - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 09:33:51

I still say term limits will mitigate if not solve that, nm - hokie VT - 7/3 09:39:05

Term limits will do nothing of the sort(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/3 10:24:37

If you actually believe that and recognize that, then - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:36:47

because it is not based on reality - meatiger MU - 7/3 10:25:10

I don't disagree with the notion we should return - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 09:45:29

We talk to our friends, family members, and colleagues and - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:51:55

Wow, you have all the answers. All we have to do is talk to - hokie VT - 7/3 10:00:04

Hokie, with all due respect (however much is truly due to - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:12:19

I will when they get real about the how the choices of today - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 09:58:59

If you're talking about R and D as the choices of today, - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:14:20

And that is your belief - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 10:19:21

It's really not. I certainly have beliefs and morals. - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:24:03

While I don't disagree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 10:29:12

Yup. Ummm and the idiots are imbued with righteousness - hokie VT - 7/3 10:38:07

Look, I don't disagree about Natural Rights - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 10:41:09

Fine. While you and i don't agree totally on natural rights - hokie VT - 7/3 11:00:02

I would say this - the goverment works to protect those - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 11:34:56

You say you want LIMITED govt but with absolutely no tax - hokie VT - 7/3 09:40:49

The reverse heierarchy of palatable govt funding mechanisms: - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:42:37

Lotteries? - SwampTiger MU - 7/3 10:03:13

Voluntary donations. (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:09:29

user fee - SwampTiger MU - 7/3 10:14:17

Yeah, you're right. I should just add it as No. 2 and its - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:15:04

Why tariffs over sales tax? (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/3 10:00:09

Because tariffs (without an income tax behind them) - ummmm MU - 7/3 10:11:19

Interesting. I might put sales tax - haeffb MU - 7/3 10:33:03

You say ALL taxation is theft and list ten items, SIX of - hokie VT - 7/3 09:53:24

Yes, all taxation is theft. We should work to have as - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:57:52

Of course, we should only celebrate perfection. You forgot - hokie VT - 7/3 09:21:28

I didn't say that. I said that if they knew the federal - ummmm MU - 7/3 09:34:37

Silly deflection. It is the most omnipotent machine - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 7/3 09:30:15

it's not in the conversation of perfection. It's a grotesqu - 90Tiger STL - 7/3 09:24:35

merica hater ^^^^ (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 7/3 08:58:44

You should show this post to a therapist (nm) - Columbian Gold MU - 7/3 08:49:46

lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/3 08:53:07

Far from a perfect country to be sure - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 08:48:57

We have spilled more blood than others?? - meatiger MU - 7/3 08:52:59

That you have to ask - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/3 08:59:13

It certainly is not the former(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/3 08:59:38

I think he means - haeffb MU - 7/3 09:05:07

Why would you spend the day reading that?(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/3 08:45:14

Probably won't take all day. Nm - hokie VT - 7/3 08:55:27

Any time of day - meatiger MU - 7/3 08:56:31

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