Missouri Tigers Athletics :: Mizzou College Sports :: TigerBoard.com :: But you told me looking at state championships is shallow

MSHSAA sports - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 07:45:54

its worse in the smaller classes - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 3/6 11:35:19

Melville recruited for yrs 80's-90's - drywallerdave MU - 3/6 10:59:26

RE: Mehlville recruited for yrs 80's-90's - drywallerdave MU - 3/6 11:00:07

Good to know that you have favoritism towards - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:27:59

stupid. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:29:06

Don't you have some digital content to go create somewhere (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:41:07

One step further. Needs to be like a 2-division Private - Diamond Dave MU

- 3/6 10:01:57

that's exactly what it is here - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:08:51

Solution: Get rid of Public Schools. - CulturedDan MU

- 3/6 09:40:51

how will we get laid - Teachers union probably (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 09:57:36

4/10, but I appreciate the effort. I'll add a meme to that - CulturedDan MU

- 3/6 10:00:22

needs to be ALL levels. Its more of a problem at the small - Joeboo MU

- 3/6 09:35:46

Something needs to be done to stop the Missouri Military - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:22:31

Public schools can and do recruit quite often. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 08:58:37

I remember when Raytown recruited Tyronn Lue away - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:19:01

this is true. on the stl side schools such as vashon are - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:01:59

vashon got their 2006 State championship taken away because - alwaysright MU - 3/6 09:14:41

they had a player on their team get murdered at his house - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:15:43

Piece of work is putting it nicely. (nm) - sprintcar STL - 3/6 09:45:43

There is also the "We don't need to recruit" argument which - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:12:22

I don’t know about other schools but I can assure you - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:15:18

I don’t know STL as well. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:06:55

The two cities seemed to take different routes when - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:16:07

Plus, Aquinus, St Michael’s, St James, Summit Christian - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:19:27

St Michael's replaced state line schools though, correct? (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:11:24

No. Bishop O’Hare (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 11:13:25

and don't leave the Arch off it next time. Put the respect - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:19:41

I thought it was two schools that closed but I don't really - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:17:59

St Marys in Independence (nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 11:22:08

you know what angers me about SMtA? They built it behind a - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:26:53

Barstow, Pembroke & Lutheran are the other high schools - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:25:20

You get too far outside the “state line corridor” and it’s - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:26:55

All of those schools are physically located in the KC, - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:35:48

More kids in my neighborhood go public/charter - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:39:41

But how many of those stay in the public/charter system - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:45:09

Hard to say because it’s newer and my experience is newer. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:49:17

I taught at University Academy for a bit about fifteen years - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:01:31

It goes all the way to 8th grade. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:08:08

I was not aware that they had added a middle school. As - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:13:08

Building. They were trying to get the old Derrick Thomas - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:15:35

UA was lucky to have Bloc and all of his rich buddies foot - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:18:20

Not sure. They also wanted the old Southwest HS - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:22:45

I don't think the district wants to let go of that building - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:27:13

I agree, but that’s what it would be if it was AL. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:35:17

I challenge anyone to list the reasons why this should not - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:29:37

RE: I challenge anyone to list the reasons why this should not - Rabbit Test MU - 3/6 09:19:23

sports is the best place for kids to learn life isn’t fair - Grasslands MU - 3/6 09:19:19

why? that’s silly (nm) - pickle MU

- 3/6 09:15:35

because private schools can provide financial aid - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:19:34

lol versus free? (nm) - pickle MU

- 3/6 09:52:44

make sure you get that rep in - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:56:34

you replied to me, didn’t you? - pickle MU

- 3/6 10:03:54

LOL - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:15:51

Public schools provide 100% public financial aid(nm) - CulturedDan MU

- 3/6 09:37:27

So all of these private schools with this huge advantage - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:27:37

I think if you look at the number of championships won - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:32:21

Basketball is a bit of an outlier in this conversation. The - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:42:30

agree - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:48:09

I disagree about the coaching. I have coached in KCMO, KCK - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:11:32

I think you're cherry picking here, DH - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:24:07

Not at all. The best staffs are always made of of teachers - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:32:10

yeah, football is more difficult because of the numbers - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:37:13

I'm not sure what you are basing this on then. You say - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:37:42

looking at the results of games played between - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:41:37

Yet they still don't dominate the state championships - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:10:23

I think you missed the part of my post that said I was - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:15:41

Well that really doesn't help. Because Tennessee has - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:27:03

yeah, sounds to me like it's not near the issue as it is - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:29:04

According to newsweek there are at least 149 private - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:39:01

sure(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:41:02

thats stupid, you really think a kid wants to go to a - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:15:31

So, the MMA does NOT have an advantage despite - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:15:51

So, it sounds like the problem isn't specifically because - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:22:06

as to your last question - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:26:49

Depends on the kid and their home environment - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:36:42

Vandy is horrible at athletics (at least the ones that - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:39:49

they are both public institutions, so I guess that would - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:43:06

you're citing one private school being bad at athletics - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:45:46

A private high school in the state of Missouri - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 11:18:42

you can still play the schedule you want - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 11:39:24

But you told me looking at state championships is shallow - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:09:02

that's what this whole thread was about - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 12:43:56

Which is why I used state championships. Again, what - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 13:37:33

no one said separate them during the regular season. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 11:29:12

Then exactly what problem are you trying to solve here? - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:11:43

yawnnnn....... - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:25:10

Couldn't answer any of the questions could you dummy? (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:34:10

I don’t think it’s near that lopsided in Missouri - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:34:40

Lol, public schools are already free. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:21:23

sure, but being able to pull kids from - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:28:44

FA doesn’t even put them on an even playing field - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:33:06

yes, of course - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:37:59

Yeah, that stuff isn’t happening in KC. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:41:21

probably yours is more common - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:43:07

I wonder if that separation makes it more of a drastic - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:47:33

I've only been here for about 13 years so I really - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:55:11

Yeah, that’s not a glowing review for the argument - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:00:25

I never said it works "well" - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:04:24

Fair enough but chicken and the egg. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:09:30

probably not(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:27:15

I agree - my cousin's grandson played for Liberty North - alstl MU - 3/6 08:48:51

What did you say to him this year when Liberty North beat - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:16:44

and why is your cousin's grandson coming to you for wisdom?(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:17:27

The simple answer is that there are not enough private - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 08:35:02

Which would be far more unbalanced than blending - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:12:11

Think outside the box. The current structure may have to - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:48:12

Private schools have to play basketball with 35 pound - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:13:28

That's their problem. The rules are most definitely one - sprintcar STL - 3/6 08:37:00

Do you think the suburban schools do less recruiting than - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:00:54

I don't disagree. But that's actually against the rules. - sprintcar STL - 3/6 09:47:21

Actually, private schools play by the same rules according - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:15:48

No they don't - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 3/6 11:41:32

They do not. Transfer rules apply to private schools just - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 12:55:46

are they really that disadvantaged though? looking back - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:39:18

IWA - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 3/6 11:38:48

they kill the publics in scholar bowl though (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 08:54:12

Look across all sports(nm) - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:49:48

sorry, my bad. i thought we were focusing on bball(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:51:15

that's the way it is in Tennessee - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:15:56

**** tennessee - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 08:24:01

UT, yes - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:58:55

the private school advantage usually proves greater - alwaysright MU - 3/6 07:57:17

well let me rephrase. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 08:10:27

mexico just beat borgia last night(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:36:29

Borgia hasn't been Borgia in 10-15 years (nm) - TheWildcat MU

- 3/6 10:15:06

But they can recruit! (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:44:08

not saying it cant be done, saying that - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 08:39:58

just funny to me to pick mexico when they beat a - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:40:23

A good official can neutralize that advantage. (nm) - sprintcar STL - 3/6 08:28:28

This post is lowkey awesome (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:28:51

MSHSAA relies on the multiplier to be an evener. That works - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 07:49:43

correct, at private schools you get great facilities, great - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:17:58

Speaking from experience at a private school - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:05:32

of course, it depends where you are - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:22:31

My high school is a big school. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:25:22

is it still what you describe? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:57:47

sounds to me like it's not even close to the same situation - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:07:28

100% yes. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:04:31

To be fair the second part happens pretty much everywhere - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 08:32:10

yes, but it's not the same as having them on your campus - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:45:10

But you told me looking at state championships is shallow

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