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are they really that disadvantaged though? looking back

Posted on: March 6, 2024 at 08:39:18 CT
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at the last 4 seasons, the only private school winners i see are Cardinal Ritter (a few times) and CBC out of stl. the rest are all public schools.
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MSHSAA sports - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 07:45:54
     its worse in the smaller classes - JayHoaxH8r MU - 3/6 11:35:19
     Melville recruited for yrs 80's-90's - drywallerdave MU - 3/6 10:59:26
          RE: Mehlville recruited for yrs 80's-90's - drywallerdave MU - 3/6 11:00:07
     Good to know that you have favoritism towards - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:27:59
          stupid. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:29:06
               Don't you have some digital content to go create somewhere (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:41:07
     One step further. Needs to be like a 2-division Private - Diamond Dave MU - 3/6 10:01:57
          that's exactly what it is here - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:08:51
     Solution: Get rid of Public Schools. - CulturedDan MU - 3/6 09:40:51
          how will we get laid - Teachers union probably (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 09:57:36
               4/10, but I appreciate the effort. I'll add a meme to that - CulturedDan MU - 3/6 10:00:22
     needs to be ALL levels. Its more of a problem at the small - Joeboo MU - 3/6 09:35:46
     Something needs to be done to stop the Missouri Military - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:22:31
     Public schools can and do recruit quite often. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 08:58:37
          I remember when Raytown recruited Tyronn Lue away - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:19:01
          this is true. on the stl side schools such as vashon are - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:01:59
               vashon got their 2006 State championship taken away because - alwaysright MU - 3/6 09:14:41
                    they had a player on their team get murdered at his house - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:15:43
                         Piece of work is putting it nicely. (nm) - sprintcar STL - 3/6 09:45:43
               There is also the "We don't need to recruit" argument which - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:12:22
                    I don’t know about other schools but I can assure you - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:15:18
               I don’t know STL as well. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:06:55
                    The two cities seemed to take different routes when - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:16:07
                         Plus, Aquinus, St Michael’s, St James, Summit Christian - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:19:27
                              St Michael's replaced state line schools though, correct? (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:11:24
                                   No. Bishop O’Hare (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 11:13:25
                                        and don't leave the Arch off it next time. Put the respect - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:19:41
                                        I thought it was two schools that closed but I don't really - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:17:59
                                             St Marys in Independence (nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 11:22:08
                                                  you know what angers me about SMtA? They built it behind a - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:26:53
                              Barstow, Pembroke & Lutheran are the other high schools - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:25:20
                                   You get too far outside the “state line corridor” and it’s - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:26:55
                                        All of those schools are physically located in the KC, - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:35:48
                                             More kids in my neighborhood go public/charter - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:39:41
                                                  But how many of those stay in the public/charter system - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:45:09
                                                       Hard to say because it’s newer and my experience is newer. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:49:17
                                                            I taught at University Academy for a bit about fifteen years - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:01:31
                                                                 It goes all the way to 8th grade. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:08:08
                                                                      I was not aware that they had added a middle school. As - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:13:08
                                                                           Building. They were trying to get the old Derrick Thomas - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:15:35
                                                                                UA was lucky to have Bloc and all of his rich buddies foot - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:18:20
                                                                                     Not sure. They also wanted the old Southwest HS - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:22:45
                                                                                          I don't think the district wants to let go of that building - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:27:13
                                                                                               I agree, but that’s what it would be if it was AL. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:35:17
     I challenge anyone to list the reasons why this should not - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:29:37
          RE: I challenge anyone to list the reasons why this should not - Rabbit Test MU - 3/6 09:19:23
          sports is the best place for kids to learn life isn’t fair - Grasslands MU - 3/6 09:19:19
          why? that’s silly (nm) - pickle MU - 3/6 09:15:35
               because private schools can provide financial aid - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:19:34
                    lol versus free? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/6 09:52:44
                         make sure you get that rep in - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:56:34
                              you replied to me, didn’t you? - pickle MU - 3/6 10:03:54
                                   LOL - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:15:51
                    Public schools provide 100% public financial aid(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 3/6 09:37:27
                    So all of these private schools with this huge advantage - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:27:37
                         I think if you look at the number of championships won - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:32:21
                              Basketball is a bit of an outlier in this conversation. The - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:42:30
                                   agree - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:48:09
                                        I disagree about the coaching. I have coached in KCMO, KCK - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:11:32
                                             I think you're cherry picking here, DH - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:24:07
                                                  Not at all. The best staffs are always made of of teachers - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:32:10
                                                       yeah, football is more difficult because of the numbers - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:37:13
                              I'm not sure what you are basing this on then. You say - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:37:42
                                   looking at the results of games played between - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:41:37
                                        Yet they still don't dominate the state championships - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:10:23
                                             I think you missed the part of my post that said I was - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:15:41
                                                  Well that really doesn't help. Because Tennessee has - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:27:03
                                                       yeah, sounds to me like it's not near the issue as it is - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:29:04
                                                            According to newsweek there are at least 149 private - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:39:01
                                                                 sure(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:41:02
                                             thats stupid, you really think a kid wants to go to a - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:15:31
                                                  So, the MMA does NOT have an advantage despite - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:15:51
                                                  So, it sounds like the problem isn't specifically because - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:22:06
                                                       as to your last question - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:26:49
                                                            Depends on the kid and their home environment - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:36:42
                                                                 Vandy is horrible at athletics (at least the ones that - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:39:49
                                                                      they are both public institutions, so I guess that would - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:43:06
                                                                           you're citing one private school being bad at athletics - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:45:46
                                                                                A private high school in the state of Missouri - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 11:18:42
                                                                                     you can still play the schedule you want - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 11:39:24
                                                                                          But you told me looking at state championships is shallow - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:09:02
                                                                                               that's what this whole thread was about - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 12:43:56
                                                                                                    Which is why I used state championships. Again, what - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 13:37:33
                                                                                     no one said separate them during the regular season. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 11:29:12
                                                                                          Then exactly what problem are you trying to solve here? - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:11:43
                                                       yawnnnn....... - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:25:10
                                                            Couldn't answer any of the questions could you dummy? (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:34:10
                              I don’t think it’s near that lopsided in Missouri - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:34:40
                    Lol, public schools are already free. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:21:23
                         sure, but being able to pull kids from - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:28:44
                              FA doesn’t even put them on an even playing field - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:33:06
                                   yes, of course - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:37:59
                                        Yeah, that stuff isn’t happening in KC. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:41:21
                                             probably yours is more common - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:43:07
                                                  I wonder if that separation makes it more of a drastic - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:47:33
                                                       I've only been here for about 13 years so I really - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:55:11
                                                            Yeah, that’s not a glowing review for the argument - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:00:25
                                                                 I never said it works "well" - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:04:24
                                                                      Fair enough but chicken and the egg. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:09:30
                                                                           probably not(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:27:15
          I agree - my cousin's grandson played for Liberty North - alstl MU - 3/6 08:48:51
               What did you say to him this year when Liberty North beat - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:16:44
                    and why is your cousin's grandson coming to you for wisdom?(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:17:27
          The simple answer is that there are not enough private - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 08:35:02
               Which would be far more unbalanced than blending - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:12:11
               Think outside the box. The current structure may have to - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:48:12
                    Private schools have to play basketball with 35 pound - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:13:28
               That's their problem. The rules are most definitely one - sprintcar STL - 3/6 08:37:00
                    Do you think the suburban schools do less recruiting than - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:00:54
                         I don't disagree. But that's actually against the rules. - sprintcar STL - 3/6 09:47:21
                              Actually, private schools play by the same rules according - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:15:48
                                   No they don't - JayHoaxH8r MU - 3/6 11:41:32
                                        They do not. Transfer rules apply to private schools just - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 12:55:46
                    are they really that disadvantaged though? looking back - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:39:18
                         IWA - JayHoaxH8r MU - 3/6 11:38:48
                         they kill the publics in scholar bowl though (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 08:54:12
                         Look across all sports(nm) - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:49:48
                              sorry, my bad. i thought we were focusing on bball(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:51:15
     that's the way it is in Tennessee - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:15:56
          **** tennessee - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 08:24:01
               UT, yes - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:58:55
     the private school advantage usually proves greater - alwaysright MU - 3/6 07:57:17
          well let me rephrase. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 08:10:27
               mexico just beat borgia last night(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:36:29
                    Borgia hasn't been Borgia in 10-15 years (nm) - TheWildcat MU - 3/6 10:15:06
                         But they can recruit! (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:44:08
                    not saying it cant be done, saying that - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 08:39:58
                         just funny to me to pick mexico when they beat a - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:40:23
               A good official can neutralize that advantage. (nm) - sprintcar STL - 3/6 08:28:28
                    This post is lowkey awesome (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:28:51
     MSHSAA relies on the multiplier to be an evener. That works - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 07:49:43
          correct, at private schools you get great facilities, great - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:17:58
               Speaking from experience at a private school - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:05:32
                    of course, it depends where you are - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:22:31
                         My high school is a big school. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:25:22
                              is it still what you describe? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:57:47
                                   sounds to me like it's not even close to the same situation - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:07:28
                                   100% yes. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:04:31
               To be fair the second part happens pretty much everywhere - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 08:32:10
                    yes, but it's not the same as having them on your campus - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:45:10




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