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I think if you look at the number of championships won

Posted on: March 6, 2024 at 09:32:21 CT

Fire Marshall Bill STL

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compared to the number of private schools that exist, that the percentage would significantly higher than the same measurement for public schools. Also, only looking at the state champion is a little shallow, IMO. Just because there happens to be one public school that is the best team, doesn't mean overall the private schools are not better.

A lot of my views on this is shaped by what the landscape is like here. It's not even close in football and basketball when it comes the overall product. Yes, there can be a public school that happens to be the best team in the state, but the depth of the private leagues is on a different level than the public leagues.

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MSHSAA sports - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 07:45:54

its worse in the smaller classes - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 3/6 11:35:19

Melville recruited for yrs 80's-90's - drywallerdave MU - 3/6 10:59:26

RE: Mehlville recruited for yrs 80's-90's - drywallerdave MU - 3/6 11:00:07

Good to know that you have favoritism towards - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:27:59

stupid. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:29:06

Don't you have some digital content to go create somewhere (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:41:07

One step further. Needs to be like a 2-division Private - Diamond Dave MU

- 3/6 10:01:57

that's exactly what it is here - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:08:51

Solution: Get rid of Public Schools. - CulturedDan MU

- 3/6 09:40:51

how will we get laid - Teachers union probably (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 09:57:36

4/10, but I appreciate the effort. I'll add a meme to that - CulturedDan MU

- 3/6 10:00:22

needs to be ALL levels. Its more of a problem at the small - Joeboo MU

- 3/6 09:35:46

Something needs to be done to stop the Missouri Military - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:22:31

Public schools can and do recruit quite often. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 08:58:37

I remember when Raytown recruited Tyronn Lue away - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:19:01

this is true. on the stl side schools such as vashon are - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:01:59

vashon got their 2006 State championship taken away because - alwaysright MU - 3/6 09:14:41

they had a player on their team get murdered at his house - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:15:43

Piece of work is putting it nicely. (nm) - sprintcar STL - 3/6 09:45:43

There is also the "We don't need to recruit" argument which - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:12:22

I don’t know about other schools but I can assure you - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:15:18

I don’t know STL as well. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:06:55

The two cities seemed to take different routes when - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:16:07

Plus, Aquinus, St Michael’s, St James, Summit Christian - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:19:27

St Michael's replaced state line schools though, correct? (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:11:24

No. Bishop O’Hare (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 11:13:25

and don't leave the Arch off it next time. Put the respect - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:19:41

I thought it was two schools that closed but I don't really - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:17:59

St Marys in Independence (nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 11:22:08

you know what angers me about SMtA? They built it behind a - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 11:26:53

Barstow, Pembroke & Lutheran are the other high schools - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:25:20

You get too far outside the “state line corridor” and it’s - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:26:55

All of those schools are physically located in the KC, - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:35:48

More kids in my neighborhood go public/charter - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:39:41

But how many of those stay in the public/charter system - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:45:09

Hard to say because it’s newer and my experience is newer. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:49:17

I taught at University Academy for a bit about fifteen years - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:01:31

It goes all the way to 8th grade. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:08:08

I was not aware that they had added a middle school. As - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:13:08

Building. They were trying to get the old Derrick Thomas - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:15:35

UA was lucky to have Bloc and all of his rich buddies foot - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:18:20

Not sure. They also wanted the old Southwest HS - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:22:45

I don't think the district wants to let go of that building - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:27:13

I agree, but that’s what it would be if it was AL. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:35:17

I challenge anyone to list the reasons why this should not - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:29:37

RE: I challenge anyone to list the reasons why this should not - Rabbit Test MU - 3/6 09:19:23

sports is the best place for kids to learn life isn’t fair - Grasslands MU - 3/6 09:19:19

why? that’s silly (nm) - pickle MU

- 3/6 09:15:35

because private schools can provide financial aid - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:19:34

lol versus free? (nm) - pickle MU

- 3/6 09:52:44

make sure you get that rep in - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:56:34

you replied to me, didn’t you? - pickle MU

- 3/6 10:03:54

LOL - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:15:51

Public schools provide 100% public financial aid(nm) - CulturedDan MU

- 3/6 09:37:27

So all of these private schools with this huge advantage - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:27:37

I think if you look at the number of championships won - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:32:21

Basketball is a bit of an outlier in this conversation. The - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:42:30

agree - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:48:09

I disagree about the coaching. I have coached in KCMO, KCK - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:11:32

I think you're cherry picking here, DH - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:24:07

Not at all. The best staffs are always made of of teachers - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:32:10

yeah, football is more difficult because of the numbers - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:37:13

I'm not sure what you are basing this on then. You say - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:37:42

looking at the results of games played between - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:41:37

Yet they still don't dominate the state championships - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:10:23

I think you missed the part of my post that said I was - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:15:41

Well that really doesn't help. Because Tennessee has - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:27:03

yeah, sounds to me like it's not near the issue as it is - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:29:04

According to newsweek there are at least 149 private - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:39:01

sure(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:41:02

thats stupid, you really think a kid wants to go to a - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:15:31

So, the MMA does NOT have an advantage despite - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:15:51

So, it sounds like the problem isn't specifically because - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:22:06

as to your last question - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:26:49

Depends on the kid and their home environment - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:36:42

Vandy is horrible at athletics (at least the ones that - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:39:49

they are both public institutions, so I guess that would - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:43:06

you're citing one private school being bad at athletics - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:45:46

A private high school in the state of Missouri - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 11:18:42

you can still play the schedule you want - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 11:39:24

But you told me looking at state championships is shallow - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:09:02

that's what this whole thread was about - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 12:43:56

Which is why I used state championships. Again, what - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 13:37:33

no one said separate them during the regular season. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 11:29:12

Then exactly what problem are you trying to solve here? - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 12:11:43

yawnnnn....... - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 10:25:10

Couldn't answer any of the questions could you dummy? (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:34:10

I don’t think it’s near that lopsided in Missouri - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:34:40

Lol, public schools are already free. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:21:23

sure, but being able to pull kids from - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:28:44

FA doesn’t even put them on an even playing field - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:33:06

yes, of course - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:37:59

Yeah, that stuff isn’t happening in KC. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:41:21

probably yours is more common - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:43:07

I wonder if that separation makes it more of a drastic - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:47:33

I've only been here for about 13 years so I really - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:55:11

Yeah, that’s not a glowing review for the argument - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:00:25

I never said it works "well" - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:04:24

Fair enough but chicken and the egg. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:09:30

probably not(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:27:15

I agree - my cousin's grandson played for Liberty North - alstl MU - 3/6 08:48:51

What did you say to him this year when Liberty North beat - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:16:44

and why is your cousin's grandson coming to you for wisdom?(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 09:17:27

The simple answer is that there are not enough private - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 08:35:02

Which would be far more unbalanced than blending - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:12:11

Think outside the box. The current structure may have to - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:48:12

Private schools have to play basketball with 35 pound - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 09:13:28

That's their problem. The rules are most definitely one - sprintcar STL - 3/6 08:37:00

Do you think the suburban schools do less recruiting than - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 09:00:54

I don't disagree. But that's actually against the rules. - sprintcar STL - 3/6 09:47:21

Actually, private schools play by the same rules according - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 10:15:48

No they don't - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 3/6 11:41:32

They do not. Transfer rules apply to private schools just - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 12:55:46

are they really that disadvantaged though? looking back - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:39:18

IWA - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 3/6 11:38:48

they kill the publics in scholar bowl though (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 08:54:12

Look across all sports(nm) - TigerTuff MU - 3/6 08:49:48

sorry, my bad. i thought we were focusing on bball(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:51:15

that's the way it is in Tennessee - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:15:56

**** tennessee - lqf2b8 MU - 3/6 08:24:01

UT, yes - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:58:55

the private school advantage usually proves greater - alwaysright MU - 3/6 07:57:17

well let me rephrase. - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 08:10:27

mexico just beat borgia last night(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:36:29

Borgia hasn't been Borgia in 10-15 years (nm) - TheWildcat MU

- 3/6 10:15:06

But they can recruit! (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:44:08

not saying it cant be done, saying that - bluesox7 MU - 3/6 08:39:58

just funny to me to pick mexico when they beat a - TigerA MU - 3/6 08:40:23

A good official can neutralize that advantage. (nm) - sprintcar STL - 3/6 08:28:28

This post is lowkey awesome (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 3/6 10:28:51

MSHSAA relies on the multiplier to be an evener. That works - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 07:49:43

correct, at private schools you get great facilities, great - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:17:58

Speaking from experience at a private school - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:05:32

of course, it depends where you are - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:22:31

My high school is a big school. - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 09:25:22

is it still what you describe? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 09:57:47

sounds to me like it's not even close to the same situation - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 10:07:28

100% yes. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/6 10:04:31

To be fair the second part happens pretty much everywhere - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/6 08:32:10

yes, but it's not the same as having them on your campus - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 3/6 08:45:10

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