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no. the first source would be the ratification debates

Posted on: February 22, 2024 at 12:40:04 CT
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in which the specific clauses and meanings were explained, debated, and agreed upon. these debates were put to paper.

further, read Article III, as the court does not have constitutional authority to interpret the Constitution
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Henderson vs. New York- 1875(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:12:54
     If you're going to keep appealing to court decisions as - 90Tiger STL - 2/22 12:33:28
          The problem with scotus, of course is that there are some - hokie VT - 2/22 12:59:01
               don't be hijacking this thread with your bull****(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:00:01
                    Sorry. Nm - hokie VT - 2/22 13:33:11
                         all good hokie(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:42:20
               yeah, that's the problem, hokie - ashtray UF - 2/22 12:59:36
          are they not the most objective way to interpret a very - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:37:05
               they would be if they weren't so corrupt - JG A - 2/22 13:32:19
               Also, the Constitution is NOT a subjective document - pickle MU - 2/22 12:52:41
                    all texts are subjective - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:59:12
                         That doesn't make the text itself subjective. - ummmm MU - 2/22 13:14:35
                              no text has meaning - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:21:06
                                   So you do support the concept of a living Constitution? (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/22 13:23:04
                                        I support the idea that the constitution can be intepreted - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:25:37
                                             so yes, you think the constitution is a living document - pickle MU - 2/22 13:29:37
                                                  I guess to serve as guardrails for policy and govt.(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:34:47
                                                       lol, really? I know you typed this and thought "well, that - 90Tiger STL - 2/22 19:49:12
                                                       how does that work if its subjective - pickle MU - 2/22 13:37:41
                                                            it doesn't, really - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:39:39
                                             So, there is no original meaning and it is a living document - ummmm MU - 2/22 13:28:28
                                                  it can be amended, so I guess it is a living document - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:31:16
                                                       also, read Article III (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 13:39:17
                                                       an amendment process is not what is meant by living document - pickle MU - 2/22 13:38:41
                                                            no, Jefferson said himself that it's a living document - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:41:45
                                                                 RE: no, Jefferson said himself that it's a living document - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:58:50
                                                                 what? no (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 13:49:05
                                                                      RE: what? no (nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:59:23
                                                                           1. Paywall 2. He is not saying the constitution - pickle MU - 2/22 14:11:17
                                                                                no, a living document is something that can be updated and - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 14:21:46
                                                                                     no. that is 100% incorrect - pickle MU - 2/22 14:35:59
                                                                                          sure it is - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 14:43:35
                                                                                               it’s not (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 15:01:27
                                                                                                    LOL - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 15:04:27
                                                                                                         you're wrong in this thread, Bill (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/22 19:50:35
                                   Well done - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 13:22:22
                                        nah - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:25:07
                         false (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 13:08:54
               oof. - CulturedDan MU - 2/22 12:44:11
               The Supreme Court isn't objective. - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 12:41:15
                    9 of them discussing and researching an issue breeds more - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:43:50
                         the research part - meatiger MU - 2/22 14:46:50
                         I would trust my HVAC guy over a lawyer to read and - ummmm MU - 2/22 12:53:08
                              and you think his political preferences won't drive - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:54:25
                                   I don't think he has much of any. I certainly think he has - ummmm MU - 2/22 12:56:01
                                        He also likely doesn't have a debt to pay to a particular - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 12:58:12
                                             you act like no justice has ever gone against party - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:01:27
                                                  no, that's a quantum leap straw man (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/22 19:51:59
                                                  I'm not acting like that. I'm saying they're more biased - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 13:05:09
                                                       what is an "every day Republican or Democrat"? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:11:08
                                                            Someone that typically votes along party lines - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 13:17:52
                                                                 how am I making your point for you?(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:28:06
                                                            what is a “common citizen”? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 13:17:06
                                                                 someone that hasn't spent half of their life learning - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:26:30
                                                                      just like many of the “founding fathers,” right? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 13:32:11
                                                                           sure - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:38:50
                         If the bar is a common citizen, fine. - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 12:47:33
                              there is no such thing as an "unbiased" citizen - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:53:23
                                   Clearly you knew what I meant as you even added - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 12:54:46
                         my goodness, stop(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 2/22 12:47:02
                         this is where you’ve shut off your brain (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 12:46:55
               no. the first source would be the ratification debates - pickle MU - 2/22 12:40:04
                    First source is plain and ordinary meaning of the text - ummmm MU - 2/22 12:48:49
                         yes (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 12:55:20
               you're asking if a federal branch of government - ashtray UF - 2/22 12:38:24
                    "most" is relative - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:40:15
                         rethink your views on SCOTUS, Bill (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/22 19:53:56
                         oh dear (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 12:41:17
                         do you let the fox guard the hen house? (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/22 12:40:45
                              if it was as simple as that, why have there been rulings - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:44:34
                                   It is mildly amusing watching you debate a bizarre cult - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 2/22 12:50:00
                                        Side topic... - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 13:00:29
                                             he's in the Q cult and feels dirty - ashtray UF - 2/22 13:37:32
                                             shhhhh(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 2/22 13:35:26
                                             Also, pickle and other libertarians support individualism. - ummmm MU - 2/22 13:24:28
                                                  sounds like what a cult would say - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/22 15:35:33
                                        LOL(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:52:32
                                             the mask slips (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 12:56:01
                                                  huh?(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 12:56:57
                                                       trolling - pickle MU - 2/22 13:14:54
                                                            I'm not trolling, just found Ray's post funny(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/22 13:27:31
                                        ahem - CulturedDan MU - 2/22 12:51:53
                                             Aw puddin'(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 2/22 12:52:29
                                   There are still 2 parties, right? (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/22 12:48:49
                                   politics (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/22 12:47:48
     Spinks vs Ali-1978 - JayHoaxH8r MU - 2/22 12:31:36




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