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No its not easy to argue that.

Posted on: October 23, 2023 at 20:36:19 CT
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Read the following and tell me how that is in any way ambigious:



Valid Signal

ARTICLE 2.

A valid signal is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.

Invalid Signal

ARTICLE 3.

An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B:

That does not meet the requirements of Article 2 (above); or

That is given after a scrimmage kick is caught beyond the neutral zone, strikes the ground or touches another player beyond the neutral zone (A.R. 6-5-3-III-V); or

That is given after a free kick is caught, strikes the ground or touches another player. [Exception: Rule 6-4-1-f]


Now that you've read that, two questions.

1. Did or did the player wave his hand? (We know the answer is yes to this)
2. Did the player " extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once."? (We also know he did not do this, which would make the motion he made an invalid signal.)

It's clear as day, crystal clear. There is no arguing it.

No the NCAA won't be clarifying this, there is no need to, its already clear. You are allowed to shade your eyes from the sun with one hand and no waving and be able to advance the ball. Other than that you can't. Period, end of story, no need for discussion.

Sometimes I really think people are just looking for a reason to blame officials for everything that happens.

This rule exists for the sake of fairness and safety. The absence of which would just lead to a bunch of players doing fake signals then defensive players letting up on pursuit and next thing you know they are running for 40 yards, or worse officials don't consider it invalid, don't consider it a fair catch and the reciever gets smoke Troy Palamalu style.

Edited by tigerman81 at 20:45:38 on 10/23/23
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Did Iowa get screwed on the punt return call? - bluesox7 MU - 10/23 12:05:53
     RE: Did Iowa get screwed on the punt return call? - tmb333 MU - 10/23 18:48:21
     Yes and if that’s the standard for what - justwinbaby KC - 10/23 17:18:13
     No, it was the right call according to the rule, BUT I've - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 12:29:35
          RE: No, it was the right call according to the rule, BUT I've - tmb333 MU - 10/23 18:50:26
          You are ALLOWED to do that, that is why youve seen that. - tigerman81 MU - 10/23 18:40:21
          Watch they will change the rule after the season (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 13:32:30
               If they do change it then I would teach my punt return team - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:44:32
          Screw Iowa, but while it may be technically correct - alwaysright MU - 10/23 12:52:14
               Well, he was pointing with his right hand and waiving people - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 13:18:41
                    Because it is illegal to use a fake fair catch signal - alwaysright MU - 10/23 13:29:26
                         He wasn’t trying to fake a fair catch signal - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 13:36:29
                              It doesn't matter if he was intending to call a fair catch - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:00:40
                                   It was not a normal get away signal. - alwaysright MU - 10/23 14:32:48
                                        This is why I bet we see a change related to this rule - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 14:35:42
                                             You are clueless. The NCAA isn't changing a long - tigerman81 MU - 10/23 18:13:31
                                                  It’s easy to argue that he didn’t signal anything - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 19:17:35
                                                       No its not easy to argue that. - tigerman81 MU - 10/23 20:36:19
                                                            There should be an actual penalty for an invalid signal. - alwaysright MU - 10/24 07:23:08
                                                            It seems to me that it should be that if you don't make a - JeffB MU - 10/23 21:38:52
                                                                 Leaves too much chance for ambigulity. - tigerman81 MU - 10/23 22:27:01
                                                            Yes you can argue that he wasn’t waived - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 20:47:46
                                                                 LOL, did he or did he not waive his hand?(nm) - tigerman81 MU - 10/23 22:21:41
                                                                      According to him no - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/24 07:35:34
                                                                           It doesn't matter what the hell he said he did, it shows on - tigerman81 MU - 10/24 11:15:40
                                   I agree, correct call. And why would a rule change be ... - Tigerborn MU - 10/23 14:10:17
                                        The NCAA usually addresses these - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 14:19:27
                                             That is because there wasn't a fair catch signal and nobody - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:21:35
                                                  Here are his words again. According to him - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 14:31:30
                                                       He never said he wasn't trying to waive people off. You - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:40:55
                                                            He never said he was. This is why I am betting a rule change - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 14:44:21
                                                                 I don't believe that is true. Watch #17 for Iowa in this - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:46:29
                                                                      I might buy what you are saying on 17 - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 14:52:56
                                                                           I could see maybe coming up with a deliberate get - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:59:15
                                                                                Agree the NCAA to to remove the refs having to - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 15:26:35
                                                       naturally running to the football.. lol - bluesox7 MU - 10/23 14:37:17
                                   I am betting we see a change in that rule - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/23 14:07:07
                                        I haven't heard him say that. What was he pointing at? - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:20:57
                              That is correct, he was not trying to, but what he did - alwaysright MU - 10/23 13:39:20
                                   You've never seen a returner point to where the ball is - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 15:01:28
                                        Never point with one hand and wave the other around, no - alwaysright MU - 10/23 15:57:39
                                             If you watch this at the very beginning he is pointing with - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 16:25:23
     no, but the rule needs to change(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/23 12:29:09
          If you are motioning for people to get away, and then - bluesox7 MU - 10/23 12:42:25
     No (nm) - samclemens MU - 10/23 12:23:42
     Correct call - Iam4Mizzou MU - 10/23 12:16:09
     no(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 10/23 12:15:32
     according to the rule, no - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/23 12:12:57
     No I just think you cannot do something like that - Genco98 MU - 10/23 12:11:21
     If the returner motions for his players to get away - hou4mu MU - 10/23 12:10:55
          He wasn't penalized. The ball was return the point where it - tigerman81 MU - 10/23 20:42:00
          I didn't realize that was the actual rule - Eggs MU - 10/23 12:18:18
               Maybe a better question is has it been called consistently - XRob MU - 10/23 13:14:43
                    that is my issue with it. Tennessee fans claim it was - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 10/23 14:26:46
     No(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/23 12:08:25
     no. If you want to return the ball, don't make any - CulturedDan MU - 10/23 12:07:54
     Fvck Iowa but I think they did - Eggs MU - 10/23 12:06:40
          Also similar uniforms to Mizzou - Genco98 MU - 10/23 14:02:23




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