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RE: Pure sophistry on your part. And disappointing, once

Posted on: December 22, 2021 at 09:31:29 CT
ummmm MU
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Yes, I think the government has a responsibility to help and protect its citizens in need. The question gets knotty when the definitions of citizens and, “in need“ are evaluated. There will be judgment calls. That’s true when you deal with humans in an imperfect world.

This is exactly why it's a terrible idea for govt to possess this power. There are hundreds of millions of people in the US, all with their own opinions on what constitutes someone "in need". When the govt assumes a caretaker role and has millions of opinions on how to direct that role, the govt will never stop growing. Your pet cause isn't someone else's pet cause. The tools that you support are why the govt is so large today.

Only the world you and The Idiot want and demand is perfect.

This is a straw man. This has been explained ad nauseum for over a decade on this Board. Pay better attention.

You just suggested that a person with PTSD suffered due to service to our country be the responsibility of unnamed and unknown generals, unnamed and unknown politicians and others outside of government because yodon’t think government has any responsibility for anything at any time, ever.

Unnamed and unknown? I'm pretty sure that people could figure out the names of the President, congressmen, and generals that directed the warmaking that caused the injury to the individual in your hypothetical. That is a really bizarre point.

Those of you who demand 100% purity in your insane idea of abolishing government come up with crap like this sometimes. It’s disappointing.

I've never advocated for abolishing govt in its entirety. I do further positions of liberty and protection of negative, natural rights. A caretaking govt is the antithesis to that.

Someone is suffering from PTSD and is about to jump off a building or a ship into the ocean. You think the generals who sent him to war should be held responsible at this particular moment. At this deciding time in this man’s life, they have to find the general responsible for sending him to war. How about the Colonels the majors the captains the lieutenants do they all have personal responsibility as well? Should they be contacted and asked to pay ?

What? I said they are accountable for the injuries, not required to be babysitters at every moment. But yes, they should pay for the people they caused to be injured.

Edited by ummmm at 09:33:25 on 12/22/21
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Should government keep people from harming themselves? - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/22 07:32:52
     Generally, no. But there are exceptions. If someone is - hokie VT - 12/22 08:42:54
          no, hokie (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 08:47:59
          There’s a long history of government using mental health - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/22 08:47:57
          That is an unworkable standard - ummmm MU - 12/22 08:47:25
               Sounds like you’re suggesting that government turn its back - hokie VT - 12/22 08:58:29
                    once again, hokie socialism/Marxism is the good socialism (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 09:14:38
                    Do you think, in the absence of government - meatiger MU - 12/22 09:05:37
                         I don’t know, do you? Who would you call? Or would you be - hokie VT - 12/22 09:14:46
                              well - meatiger MU - 12/22 09:27:27
                                   Is urgency a consideration? Should we ask the vet with PTSD - hokie VT - 12/22 09:39:04
                                        there is no such responsibility. You are arguing for slavery - pickle MU - 12/22 09:53:00
                                        Oh, you think government would react quicker than - kmawv8 MU - 12/22 09:47:29
                                        Who is more likely to be there for a near suicide - meatiger MU - 12/22 09:41:48
                              For example, we've been unable to count on the kindness of - ummmm MU - 12/22 09:19:34
                                   You're changing the subject, or at least the example. I - hokie VT - 12/22 09:41:28
                                        you're wrong - ashtray UF - 12/22 10:58:49
                                        I'm using your exact reasoning to further a public policy. - ummmm MU - 12/22 09:44:49
                                             Nah, instead he'd rather post the new word he just learned - kmawv8 MU - 12/22 09:46:54
                              wow (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 09:17:41
                    No, I'm not suggesting that all, because that would imply - ummmm MU - 12/22 09:03:16
                         Pure sophistry on your part. And disappointing, once - hokie VT - 12/22 09:23:05
                              you have no room to ever criticize socialists and Marxists - pickle MU - 12/22 09:33:53
                              RE: Pure sophistry on your part. And disappointing, once - ummmm MU - 12/22 09:31:29
                              thanks for the liberal view - ashtray UF - 12/22 09:27:33
                              lol, what in the holy hell? - kmawv8 MU - 12/22 09:25:34
                                   he makes rask look like a genius (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 09:34:50
                    You are unable to express your thoughts and engage - kmawv8 MU - 12/22 09:01:24
                         emotions are hard to control (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/22 09:02:19
          so the line is drawn at mental health of the individual for - ashtray UF - 12/22 08:45:39
     Nope(nm) - tman MU - 12/22 08:27:41
     That is one thing both parties completely agree on - meatiger MU - 12/22 08:26:43
          "full" gov't power. Sure. Oh, please give my quotes on that - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:38:31
               you have basically endorsed mandated vaccines - meatiger MU - 12/22 08:54:54
          GAT is a self-hating demlib (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/22 08:28:48
     What if the government thinks it's in your best interest - Gavin Citrus MU - 12/22 08:26:14
     Anyone who harms himself should get the electric chair. Nm - hokie VT - 12/22 08:03:25
          why can’t you participate in discussion? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 08:15:52
               He’s dumb(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/22 08:45:54
               Lol(nm) - tman MU - 12/22 08:26:44
               it's an intelligence deficit (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/22 08:21:46
     YES, so long as the gov't is going to - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 07:55:24
          Lol so all fat people should be starved by the guvmint then(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 12/22 08:19:19
               Actually, they should decide to eat less. So far as - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:24:10
                    So choice to be Fat. No choice to be Vaxed. Got it(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 12/22 09:56:01
                    You said as long as government pays for any - meatiger MU - 12/22 08:28:00
                         Oh, did I ever mention....almost nothing is all or nothing.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:37:07
                              And do you understand - meatiger MU - 12/22 08:53:37
                                   Basicaly, yes. So what? Irrelevant to my arguments.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 09:54:56
                              Yes, you are firmly on record as to your - ummmm MU - 12/22 08:41:44
          no (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 08:13:04
          that's the problem with socialism, GAT - ashtray UF - 12/22 08:00:19
               Mankind almost always overdoes whatever it tries to do.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:08:07
                    In a post about individualism - pickle MU - 12/22 08:14:30
                         "The point"? Ok. That would be what, exactly? - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:16:29
                              I just told you what it is (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 08:18:59
                                   Ok, give it to me again. I can't find it.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:24:55
                                        Lol…go back to bed(nm) - meatiger MU - 12/22 08:33:09
                    so don't do socialism at all. what's wrong with that? (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/22 08:09:32
                         Because almost nothing is all or nothing.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:13:04
                              non-responsive (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/22 08:21:09
                                   The rather obvious implication is that a - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 08:33:54
                                        no, GAT; it is never justified - pickle MU - 12/22 08:50:30
                                        socialism is never justified (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/22 08:37:55
                              Lazy (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 08:15:15
     I wish more people understood that last sentence - pickle MU - 12/22 07:48:51
          ^^^ Will soon be saying "no" to my post.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 07:56:35
               correct (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 08:13:18




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