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Does anyone here support forgiving student debt? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:37:38

No. Taking a loan involves risk, and the risks are borne - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 4/2 11:16:46

I’d consider a stimulus but never a total forgivness and... - JayRoy KC - 4/2 11:09:59

No - MIZ45 MU - 4/2 10:58:38

bunch of blue collar workers luv paying for loser BA degrees - TigerFan92 STL - 4/2 10:54:48

RE: no. nm - MUDude MU - 4/2 10:21:14

What do we do with all those who - Outsider MU - 4/2 10:16:57

Not only did they foolishly pay them off - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:21:22

Yes. It will be like all of those young people who - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:20:58

RE: Does anyone here support forgiving student debt?: No, - BH O'bonga MU - 4/2 10:15:00

So donors who paid into the endowment fund should have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:16:21

RE: So donors who paid into the endowment fund should have - BH O'bonga MU - 4/2 10:22:17

I don't disagree, but that does not answer the question of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:30:04

No (nm) - Sal CMSU - 4/2 10:09:23

Yes - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:08:23

Can we try that again in English?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:11:52

Sorry. On my phone on a plane(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:13:25

So you support both of those positions? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:15:23

What do you think?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:17:46

So what role did the government have in forcing those - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:20:32

the central bank, expansion of credit, guaranteed loans, etc - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:29:22

A number of things - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:25:05

None of those have anything to do with the government - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:28:25

Bull$h1t - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:31:52

Tell me how government forced students to take those loans - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:34:15

Simply put: Moral Hazard. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:26:19

Yep - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:29:36

And that is indeed true - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:29:07

Maybe not exactly alike, but still comparable. - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:31:29

don’t let him reshape the issue - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:33:58

I was just preempting his anticipated response. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:36:19

gotcha (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:40:41

The applicable example would be if government forced a - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:37:47

In that instance, you would support the govt paying back - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:41:52

I will say what I said about this issue before - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:44:40

Okay, so reparations with proof. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:47:32

If anyone can demonstrate their direct loss as a result - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:50:25

oh, dear (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:52:29

Does direct loss include the time value of money/property - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:52:05

No, unless they can demonstrate without question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:57:27

Btw, the PPP program didn't account for proof of actual - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:05:04

And that is why, despite the repeated lies, not one person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:08:02

You wait until now to drop this? - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:12:51

Until now? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:14:40

no one except you is lying here - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:30:26

In this thread, I mean. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:18:25

That's not difficult at all. For every death, there is - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:59:30

But you said for property that was taken - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:06:18

Yes, stolen labor / unpaid wages. - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:10:22

And that is the issue with reparations - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:13:29

People bring actions on behalf of estates all the time. - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:19:19

I have said if anyone can show me a direct loss they - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:38:50

you are supportive of $6T reparations (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:48:39

The direct loss is the estate of their great great great - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:47:32

No, it is not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:51:58

That is YOUR issue with reparations. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:18:27

Your advice to hokie regarding philosophy would fit here - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:49:57

you are trying to reshape the issue - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:41:51

RE: Maybe not exactly alike, but still comparable. - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:33:01

We aren't talking about loans - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:35:19

The student loan crisis - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:37:29

Agreed it was a government problem - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:38:17

Not at all - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:32:46

This is incorrect: - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:39:55

So if the government forces you out of your house even - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:41:22

The govt has no money. It only takes from other people. - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:44:35

And if that were to happen with my house - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:46:24

It wouldn't be your money. Your money is spent and gone - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:47:15

And couldn't this same argument be made for student - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:49:13

If you can show me student loan borrowers were forced, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:51:59

I didn't have to buy a house. Business owners didn't have - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:55:04

There is an absolute difference - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:00:25

But why should non-business owners backstop the risks of - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:07:19

A risk of owning business is not that the government - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:09:37

It absolutely is. In fact, regime uncertainty and govt - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:11:42

In foreign counties those are indeed known risks - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:16:27

LMFAO - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:25:49

It happens all the time here. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:23:57

Those are not telling you that you must shut your doors - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:39:49

Liquor laws are exactly that. (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 12:05:02

How so? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:11:38

If a bar is operating until 3:00 and the state changes - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 12:13:06

They are not being totally shut down - that is why I have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:16:45

Oh, so you only support it if it's a total shutdown. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 12:19:54

I have been 100% consistent since the issue of this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:29:15

You haven't at all (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 13:13:56

Also, don't forget the near 2 decades of actual Prohibition - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:26:46

Who has forgotten about them?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:29:45

Anyone who acts like the govt doesn't totally shut down - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:30:51

It does matter for this thread - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:33:55

Was it a bar owners fault in 1919 that he could no longer - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:36:55

No, and perhaps something could have been considered then - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:44:01

You're speaking for all of business owners and what they - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 13:43:49

100% false (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 13:37:05

This is patently untrue. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:51:44

That happens in foreign countries, ummmm - pickle MU

- 4/2 12:39:40

you’re suffering from rask memory loss - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:53:15

Uber and AirBnb are on the phone - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:28:38

Taxi companies as well. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:38:36

He gives a condemnation example below too. - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:31:22

I don't mean to be callous, but that is an insane comment. * - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:17:12

Give me a list of companies in the US in the last 20 years - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:41:47

The govt uses the hundreds of thousands of pages of - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:45:55

No, it does not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:53:24

Yeah, those unilateral actions manifest through the - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:28:03

We cannot consider them because they were not part of my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:32:20

All of those COVID shutdowns were put into place by - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:36:03

They may be granted the power to do it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:45:41

But that doesn't happen in the US? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:53:39

Well, they may close a business for a brief period due to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:01:10

RE: Well, they may close a business for a brief period due to - ummmm MU - 4/2 13:04:18

Yes, and at one point we had slavery - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:06:47

RE: Yes, and at one point we had slavery - ummmm MU - 4/2 13:09:02

That was the fear and why I was open to exploring ways - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:11:00

But that doesn't happen in the US? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 13:15:33

I said it isn't something businesses plan for today - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:16:53

you aren't being honest (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 13:47:26

“There is not one business in the US that contemplates - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:58:08

feelings over facts (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:27:36

“do you actually mean ask others to pay that bailout - pickle MU

- 4/2 11:06:26

that’s not the issue (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:53:32

I would be getting back money I paid in - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:48:31

It’s immoral to steal from others be it student loans - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:51:40

I hate to break it to you, 4tigs, but you didn't "pay - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:50:52

They took my money, I would be open to receiving back - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:54:24

Yet that is EXACTLY what you are supporting - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:56:38

RE: They took my money, I would be open to receiving back - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:56:21

lol (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:04:19

you’re being dishonest. that isn’t the topic - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:34:34

No, you said others shouldn’t pay for it - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:30:52

he’s pointing out your hypocrisy (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:17:17

I guess i am a day late technically (nm) - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:18:37

Since I have 2 daughters with student debt, sure! But in - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/2 09:52:32

I do, from college endowments since they failed - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/2 09:51:49

So if I gave to my university's endowment fund - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:53:09

I have a doctor friend who is excited about it - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 4/2 09:51:32

It won't happen under this President (except some token - ummmm MU - 4/2 09:54:02

Normally I would agree but he has some pretty serious - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 4/2 09:56:45

Nah, those people like the prestige of office more than the - ummmm MU - 4/2 09:58:50

No. - ummmm MU - 4/2 09:49:16

I feel bad for them as well - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:51:07

College is too expensive and loan debt is an issue - Eggs MU - 4/2 09:45:28

Students should be allowed to avail themselves of the - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/2 11:14:12

Why do you think college is so expensive? (nm) - Lerxst MU

- 4/2 10:30:17

The expansion of credit backed by a central bank - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:21:39

I agree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:49:07

One of several reasons college is so unnecessarily - GA Tiger MU - 4/2 09:48:16

100% correct - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/2 09:55:08

now apply this to your support of the $6T “bailout” - pickle MU

- 4/2 09:44:47

you're likely to be ridiculed for your being "absolute", lik - 90Tiger STL - 4/2 10:00:32

Any time Congress is spending money, it should require a - MU-TULSA MU - 4/2 09:48:30

Erections have consequences... - Gyro MU - 4/2 10:04:42

now it’s your team’s turn to raid people’s pockets (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:09:07

If only ABC Company, a division of National XYZ Corporation - Gyro MU - 4/2 10:25:57

straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:47:52

i can’t agree with that (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/2 09:52:00

Surprising because as we all know too well... - Gyro MU - 4/2 10:26:46

maybe you should pay attention - pickle MU

- 4/2 10:55:13

nope - DesertTiger MU - 4/2 09:43:22

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