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Yes. It will be like all of those young people who

Posted on: April 2, 2021 at 10:20:58 CT
ummmm MU
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had FICA taxes extracted from them their entire lives, only to learn they have been means-tested out of receiving money from the new young people at their own retirement age.

Government picks winners and losers, and doesn't do much else.
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Does anyone here support forgiving student debt? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:37:38
     No. Taking a loan involves risk, and the risks are borne - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 4/2 11:16:46
     I’d consider a stimulus but never a total forgivness and... - JayRoy KC - 4/2 11:09:59
     No - MIZ45 MU - 4/2 10:58:38
     bunch of blue collar workers luv paying for loser BA degrees - TigerFan92 STL - 4/2 10:54:48
     RE: no. nm - MUDude MU - 4/2 10:21:14
     What do we do with all those who - Outsider MU - 4/2 10:16:57
          Not only did they foolishly pay them off - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:21:22
          Yes. It will be like all of those young people who - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:20:58
     RE: Does anyone here support forgiving student debt?: No, - BH O'bonga MU - 4/2 10:15:00
          So donors who paid into the endowment fund should have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:16:21
               RE: So donors who paid into the endowment fund should have - BH O'bonga MU - 4/2 10:22:17
                    I don't disagree, but that does not answer the question of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:30:04
     No (nm) - Sal CMSU - 4/2 10:09:23
     Yes - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:08:23
          Can we try that again in English?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:11:52
               Sorry. On my phone on a plane(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:13:25
                    So you support both of those positions? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:15:23
                         What do you think?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:17:46
                              So what role did the government have in forcing those - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:20:32
                                   the central bank, expansion of credit, guaranteed loans, etc - pickle MU - 4/2 10:29:22
                                   A number of things - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:25:05
                                        None of those have anything to do with the government - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:28:25
                                             Bull$h1t - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:31:52
                                                  Tell me how government forced students to take those loans - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:34:15
                                        Simply put: Moral Hazard. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:26:19
                                             Yep - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:29:36
                                             And that is indeed true - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:29:07
                                                  Maybe not exactly alike, but still comparable. - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:31:29
                                                       don’t let him reshape the issue - pickle MU - 4/2 10:33:58
                                                            I was just preempting his anticipated response. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:36:19
                                                                 gotcha (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 10:40:41
                                                                 The applicable example would be if government forced a - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:37:47
                                                                      In that instance, you would support the govt paying back - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:41:52
                                                                           I will say what I said about this issue before - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:44:40
                                                                                Okay, so reparations with proof. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:47:32
                                                                                     If anyone can demonstrate their direct loss as a result - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:50:25
                                                                                          oh, dear (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 10:52:29
                                                                                          Does direct loss include the time value of money/property - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:52:05
                                                                                               No, unless they can demonstrate without question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:57:27
                                                                                                    Btw, the PPP program didn't account for proof of actual - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:05:04
                                                                                                         And that is why, despite the repeated lies, not one person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:08:02
                                                                                                              You wait until now to drop this? - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:12:51
                                                                                                                   Until now? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:14:40
                                                                                                                        no one except you is lying here - pickle MU - 4/2 11:30:26
                                                                                                                        In this thread, I mean. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:18:25
                                                                                                    That's not difficult at all. For every death, there is - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:59:30
                                                                                                         But you said for property that was taken - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:06:18
                                                                                                              Yes, stolen labor / unpaid wages. - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:10:22
                                                                                                                   And that is the issue with reparations - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:13:29
                                                                                                                        People bring actions on behalf of estates all the time. - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:19:19
                                                                                                                             I have said if anyone can show me a direct loss they - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:38:50
                                                                                                                                  you are supportive of $6T reparations (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 11:48:39
                                                                                                                                  The direct loss is the estate of their great great great - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:47:32
                                                                                                                                       No, it is not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:51:58
                                                                                                                        That is YOUR issue with reparations. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:18:27
                                                                                     Your advice to hokie regarding philosophy would fit here - pickle MU - 4/2 10:49:57
                                                                      you are trying to reshape the issue - pickle MU - 4/2 10:41:51
                                                       RE: Maybe not exactly alike, but still comparable. - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:33:01
                                                            We aren't talking about loans - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:35:19
                                                                 The student loan crisis - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:37:29
                                                                      Agreed it was a government problem - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:38:17
                                                       Not at all - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:32:46
                                                            This is incorrect: - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:39:55
                                                                 So if the government forces you out of your house even - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:41:22
                                                                      The govt has no money. It only takes from other people. - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:44:35
                                                                           And if that were to happen with my house - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:46:24
                                                                                It wouldn't be your money. Your money is spent and gone - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:47:15
                                                                                     And couldn't this same argument be made for student - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:49:13
                                                                                          If you can show me student loan borrowers were forced, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:51:59
                                                                                               I didn't have to buy a house. Business owners didn't have - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:55:04
                                                                                                    There is an absolute difference - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:00:25
                                                                                                         But why should non-business owners backstop the risks of - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:07:19
                                                                                                              A risk of owning business is not that the government - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:09:37
                                                                                                                   It absolutely is. In fact, regime uncertainty and govt - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:11:42
                                                                                                                        In foreign counties those are indeed known risks - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:16:27
                                                                                                                             LMFAO - pickle MU - 4/2 11:25:49
                                                                                                                             It happens all the time here. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:23:57
                                                                                                                                  Those are not telling you that you must shut your doors - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:39:49
                                                                                                                                       Liquor laws are exactly that. (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 12:05:02
                                                                                                                                            How so? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:11:38
                                                                                                                                                 If a bar is operating until 3:00 and the state changes - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 12:13:06
                                                                                                                                                      They are not being totally shut down - that is why I have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:16:45
                                                                                                                                                           Oh, so you only support it if it's a total shutdown. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 12:19:54
                                                                                                                                                                I have been 100% consistent since the issue of this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:29:15
                                                                                                                                                                     You haven't at all (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 13:13:56
                                                                                                                                                                Also, don't forget the near 2 decades of actual Prohibition - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:26:46
                                                                                                                                                                     Who has forgotten about them?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:29:45
                                                                                                                                                                          Anyone who acts like the govt doesn't totally shut down - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:30:51
                                                                                                                                                                               It does matter for this thread - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:33:55
                                                                                                                                                                                    Was it a bar owners fault in 1919 that he could no longer - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:36:55
                                                                                                                                                                                         No, and perhaps something could have been considered then - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:44:01
                                                                                                                                                                                              You're speaking for all of business owners and what they - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 13:43:49
                                                                                                                                                                                              100% false (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 13:37:05
                                                                                                                                                                                              This is patently untrue. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:51:44
                                                                                                                                                                                         That happens in foreign countries, ummmm - pickle MU - 4/2 12:39:40
                                                                                                                                       you’re suffering from rask memory loss - pickle MU - 4/2 11:53:15
                                                                                                                                  Uber and AirBnb are on the phone - pickle MU - 4/2 11:28:38
                                                                                                                                       Taxi companies as well. - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:38:36
                                                                                                                                       He gives a condemnation example below too. - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:31:22
                                                                                                                             I don't mean to be callous, but that is an insane comment. * - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:17:12
                                                                                                                                  Give me a list of companies in the US in the last 20 years - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:41:47
                                                                                                                                       The govt uses the hundreds of thousands of pages of - ummmm MU - 4/2 11:45:55
                                                                                                                                            No, it does not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 11:53:24
                                                                                                                                                 Yeah, those unilateral actions manifest through the - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:28:03
                                                                                                                                                      We cannot consider them because they were not part of my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:32:20
                                                                                                                                                           All of those COVID shutdowns were put into place by - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:36:03
                                                                                                                                                                They may be granted the power to do it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 12:45:41
                                                                                                                                                                     But that doesn't happen in the US? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 12:53:39
                                                                                                                                                                          Well, they may close a business for a brief period due to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:01:10
                                                                                                                                                                               RE: Well, they may close a business for a brief period due to - ummmm MU - 4/2 13:04:18
                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, and at one point we had slavery - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:06:47
                                                                                                                                                                                         RE: Yes, and at one point we had slavery - ummmm MU - 4/2 13:09:02
                                                                                                                                                                                              That was the fear and why I was open to exploring ways - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:11:00
                                                                                                                                                                                                   But that doesn't happen in the US? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/2 13:15:33
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I said it isn't something businesses plan for today - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 13:16:53
                                                                                                                                                                                                             you aren't being honest (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 13:47:26
                                                                                                                                                 “There is not one business in the US that contemplates - pickle MU - 4/2 11:58:08
                                                                                                                                  feelings over facts (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 11:27:36
                                                                                                         “do you actually mean ask others to pay that bailout - pickle MU - 4/2 11:06:26
                                                                                               that’s not the issue (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 10:53:32
                                                                                     I would be getting back money I paid in - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:48:31
                                                                                          It’s immoral to steal from others be it student loans - pickle MU - 4/2 10:51:40
                                                                                          I hate to break it to you, 4tigs, but you didn't "pay - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:50:52
                                                                                               They took my money, I would be open to receiving back - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 10:54:24
                                                                                                    Yet that is EXACTLY what you are supporting - pickle MU - 4/2 10:56:38
                                                                                                    RE: They took my money, I would be open to receiving back - ummmm MU - 4/2 10:56:21
                                                                                                         lol (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 4/2 11:04:19
                                                            you’re being dishonest. that isn’t the topic - pickle MU - 4/2 10:34:34
                                                  No, you said others shouldn’t pay for it - pickle MU - 4/2 10:30:52
                         he’s pointing out your hypocrisy (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 10:17:17
                              I guess i am a day late technically (nm) - meatiger MU - 4/2 10:18:37
     Since I have 2 daughters with student debt, sure! But in - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/2 09:52:32
     I do, from college endowments since they failed - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/2 09:51:49
          So if I gave to my university's endowment fund - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:53:09
     I have a doctor friend who is excited about it - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/2 09:51:32
          It won't happen under this President (except some token - ummmm MU - 4/2 09:54:02
               Normally I would agree but he has some pretty serious - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/2 09:56:45
                    Nah, those people like the prestige of office more than the - ummmm MU - 4/2 09:58:50
     No. - ummmm MU - 4/2 09:49:16
          I feel bad for them as well - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:51:07
     College is too expensive and loan debt is an issue - Eggs MU - 4/2 09:45:28
          Students should be allowed to avail themselves of the - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/2 11:14:12
          Why do you think college is so expensive? (nm) - Lerxst MU - 4/2 10:30:17
          The expansion of credit backed by a central bank - pickle MU - 4/2 10:21:39
          I agree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/2 09:49:07
          One of several reasons college is so unnecessarily - GA Tiger MU - 4/2 09:48:16
               100% correct - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/2 09:55:08
     now apply this to your support of the $6T “bailout” - pickle MU - 4/2 09:44:47
          you're likely to be ridiculed for your being "absolute", lik - 90Tiger STL - 4/2 10:00:32
          Any time Congress is spending money, it should require a - MU-TULSA MU - 4/2 09:48:30
               Erections have consequences... - Gyro MU - 4/2 10:04:42
                    now it’s your team’s turn to raid people’s pockets (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 10:09:07
                         If only ABC Company, a division of National XYZ Corporation - Gyro MU - 4/2 10:25:57
                              straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 10:47:52
               i can’t agree with that (nm) - pickle MU - 4/2 09:52:00
                    Surprising because as we all know too well... - Gyro MU - 4/2 10:26:46
                         maybe you should pay attention - pickle MU - 4/2 10:55:13
     nope - DesertTiger MU - 4/2 09:43:22




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