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I don't accept the premise that laws are involuntary

Posted on: January 20, 2020 at 13:17:03 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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You can move. You can work to repeal or modify laws. We elect the people who make and pass the laws. We suck at that most of the time, but that is our fault.

Again, I reject the premise and find it juvenile in thought.

Edited by 4TigersinMichigan at 13:17:21 on 01/20/20
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question for 4 tigs - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:18:39
     how bout - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/20 12:22:50
     My view aligns with that our our founders - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:22:18
          why can’t you ever answer a question? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/20 12:30:59
          Is that a yes or a no - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:30:12
               I don't know what it means to have superior right to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:31:53
                    so who has a right to your life? - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/20 12:38:39
                         I have a right to move or go elsewhere if I don't wish to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:41:57
                              what is the legitimacy of these rules? - pickle MU - 1/20 12:46:53
                              Why move? Don’t you own your home, your body? - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/20 12:45:40
                                   I do own my home and my body - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:48:20
                                        No matter where you move - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/20 12:51:36
                                        Homeowners vs government - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:51:25
                                             Sure you can - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:52:18
                              Why are you so stuck on - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:44:42
                                   His question was posed in today's paradigms - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:46:38
                                        forget about that paradigm for now - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:48:46
                                             No functioning, successful society simply allows people - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:51:50
                                                  So much for your belief and support of natural rights - pickle MU - 1/20 12:56:53
                                                       it has never been there - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:00:41
                                                            he’s willfully ignorant and obtuse - pickle MU - 1/20 13:04:46
                                                  So you disagree with ummm's assertion - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:53:21
                                                       I don't see my decision to abide by rules as someone having - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:55:15
                                                            that’s voluntary. Gvmt is force and coercion - pickle MU - 1/20 12:59:19
                                                            playing on a team is voluntary - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:58:18
                                                                 No, but if this theory of having a "superior right to one's - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:01:14
                                                                      It is not about rules - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:05:45
                                                                           That is pretty much how I live my life - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:07:00
                                                                                Yet you support - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:09:09
                                                                                     I have never been opposed to criminal justice reform - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:14:47
                                                                                          What has he accomplished with Congress? - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:19:56
                                                                                               Last December he signed criminal justice reform - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:25:33
                                                                                                    What exactly was the criminal justice reform? - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:32:17
                                                                                                         It is juvenile and silly to say we all should be allowed to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:40:21
                                                                                                              I agree - pickle MU - 1/20 14:01:34
                                                                                                              Do you think most people will - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:44:30
                                                                                                                   If drunk driving were legal it would certainly increase - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:45:15
                                                                      it’s not a theory (nm) - pickle MU - 1/20 13:05:21
                              you aren’t considering or answering the question (nm) - pickle MU - 1/20 12:43:31
                                   its The Tale of the Slave. - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/20 12:48:14
                                        Yep. Don’t pause to consider or question, just accept (nm) - pickle MU - 1/20 12:55:32
                    “of higher rank, quality, or importance” - pickle MU - 1/20 12:34:46
                    Who has more control over your life - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:33:01
                         It depends on your stage of life and the decisions you have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:35:32
                              ^ this is the obvious result of muddying it up - pickle MU - 1/20 12:39:22
                              superior - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:36:51
                                   your original post doesn't allow for a condition where - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/20 12:39:18
                                        that’s something entirely different - pickle MU - 1/20 12:41:19
                                        It is referring to your own life - meatiger MU - 1/20 12:40:42
                                             it is either definitive or it isn't - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/20 12:41:43
                                                  it isn’t having it both ways - pickle MU - 1/20 12:42:47
                                                       he's asking a definitive answer to a question that isn't - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/20 12:46:26
                                                            “Do you believe this?” - pickle MU - 1/20 12:49:20
                                                                 ok, my answer is no, what's yours?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/20 12:53:02
                                                                      Oh, i see. Yeah, he wasn’t trying to have it both ways. - pickle MU - 1/20 12:58:01
                                                                           by reading 4tigs answers, you can easily see his answer - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/20 13:00:56
                                                                                focus. - pickle MU - 1/20 13:06:42
                                                                                I still don't know what they mean by having a superior right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:02:32
                                                                                     Who has more right to your life - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:12:15
                                                                                          the perso I am trying to kill or steal from(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/20 14:26:38
                                                                                          I do appreciate the dialog with you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:19:29
                                                                                          I don't accept the premise that laws are involuntary - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:17:03
                                                                                               Government is involuntary. It is imposed upon you - pickle MU - 1/20 13:25:00
                                                                                               Look at the consequences of the laws - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:24:13
                                                                                                    Well, as a consequence of these laws - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:28:42
                                                                                                         RE: Well, as a consequence of these laws - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:34:19
                                                                                                              I have done just that with my children - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:41:17
                                                                                                                   will your children graduate?(nm) - meatiger MU - 1/20 13:44:58
                                                                                                                        With high honors - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:45:43
                                                                                                                             So the State - meatiger MU - 1/20 15:46:00
                                                                                     you are being dishonest (nm) - pickle MU - 1/20 13:07:58
                                                            And there it is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:49:11
                                   The issue isn't what superior means - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:39:17
                         wrong question - pickle MU - 1/20 12:35:09
          that's an opinion - dh (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/20 12:26:15
               Ahhhh, OK - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 12:29:11
                    actually no, do you think it's an opinion like dh does? - SwampTiger MU - 1/20 13:10:02
                         It is their opinion that these are truths - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/20 13:18:27
                              true or true not, there is no opinion - SwampTiger MU - 1/20 15:35:40
     if he's a real Christian, he shouldn't (nm) - dangertim MU - 1/20 12:19:52




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