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If you allow opt outs, then it is nothing like social

Posted on: July 25, 2018 at 09:39:47 CT
ummmm MU
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security in the US.

So, now we're talking about something completely different. You haven't disputed that social security in the US is itself a socialistic program.


"In what manner do you disagree with that?"

I don't disagree that many people have bad money habits. However, I don't think that problem is solved by providing a socialized safety net to subsidize poor decision making.
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Trump's Road to Socialism - ummmm MU - 7/25 08:38:05
     This is so typical. The left accuses the right of being - hokie VT - 7/25 09:19:27
          Correct you leftists have NOTHING - JG A - 7/25 12:44:42
          You're an uneducated, uninformed idiot (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 09:33:07
               Why does this post make you so angry? (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 7/25 11:22:41
          SS is about as socialist a program as you can create. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:26:56
               So only socialists support it? Are you as dumb as the - hokie VT - 7/25 09:29:11
                    no, but anyone supporting it is supporting a socialistic - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:30:06
                         I have posted here before that the board idiots, i hadn't - hokie VT - 7/25 09:41:43
                              you don't know anything about capitalism, socialism, - pickle MU - 7/25 09:54:14
                              why is the label important to you?(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/25 09:47:06
                                   Labels are important. Despite what the pansy left and - hokie VT - 7/25 09:52:12
                                        I guess my point is this - cnk ATL - 7/25 09:59:53
                              you need to re-read my post (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:42:09
               Only because of how it started and also what - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 09:29:08
          If you are in favor of social security, then you are in - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:26:12
               I just disputed it.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 09:29:42
                    You did? (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 09:36:48
                    Will you allow opt outs with your plan? (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:31:21
                         Probably. The only reason I would - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 09:36:47
                              What mechanisms would be used when enough people - cnk ATL - 7/25 09:41:03
                                   Shouldn't matter, if the total opting in was - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 12:20:26
                              If you allow opt outs, then it is nothing like social - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:39:47
                                   There is no subsidy as I outlined my solutions. - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 09:43:15
                                        I couldn't tell from your prior post if you were defending - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:48:08
                    He meant to say it can't be disputed rationally. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:30:39
          lol. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/25 09:24:34
               i know, right?(nm) - dangertim MU - 7/25 09:26:13
     Trump's handling of this is probably his biggest mistake - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 09:17:01
     NAFTA picked winners and losers - Roberts MU - 7/25 09:08:01
          Your last sentence could be reversed and posed as: - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:13:21
     Oh my. Libtards are so short sighted - TigerFan92 MU - 7/25 09:01:14
          True, they would elect a washed up reality TV star - TheShoe STL - 7/25 09:08:43
               Precisely why I posted this: - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:26:14
               Sounds similar to the credentials of many politicians. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/25 09:26:02
               That demonstrates what monumental fruitcakes you.have - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:24:57
               They did, If they would have had a better - tcat UMKC - 7/25 09:17:30
     Tariffs are foolish and clearly a gvmt overreach. If the - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 08:48:55
          RE: Tariffs are foolish and clearly a gvmt overreach. If the - meatiger MU - 7/25 09:39:47
               How are they a Goverment overreach?(nm) - tcat UMKC - 7/25 09:45:48
          I would like to know what EU and Canada tariffs for us are, - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 09:18:27
               Here are Canadian import fees - cnk ATL - 7/25 09:23:28
          The problem with instituting any govt interference with - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:10:34
               Has anyone ever went that far in the red before - tcat UMKC - 7/25 09:26:28
               I doubt you will get little.disagreement there - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:16:42
                    Why wait for the EU to agree to stop taxing its citizens? - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:23:34
                         I think the thing your missing in all of this is not - tcat UMKC - 7/25 09:33:31
                              I really don't think I'm the one missing that. - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:37:31
                                   Then I stand corrected - tcat UMKC - 7/25 09:44:42
                                        It does not describe the current customary framework of the - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:51:52
                         Perhaps that works, it can.still be attempted, although i - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:27:31
                              Speaking personally, the president's ego/image is pretty low - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:34:07
                                   I get that, I'm just answering your question. It might work - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:39:09
               I don't disagree and hence my position. I just don't see - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:15:52
                    doing nothing at all - meatiger MU - 7/25 09:43:02
                    I don't like that US goods have tariffs slapped on them - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:24:55
                         It's indefensible, but look at the "conservatives" trying (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 09:38:23
                         Why do you keep implying that I (or anyone) thinks the - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:29:39
                              "Imposed as a tactic" as a move toward free markets - pickle MU - 7/25 09:40:27
                              Because I'm told that the new tariffs are aimed at - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:35:24
                                   I see, you are having trouble grasping the concept of - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:44:23
                                        if force is involved, then it's not negotiation (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 09:55:27
                                        Force in negotiation sounds like an oxymoron to me. - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:49:58
                                             because it is. (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 09:55:43
                                             well, if you don't think leverage (you call it force) isn't - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:54:21
                                                  That's not analogous. - ummmm MU - 7/25 10:05:04
                                                  RE: well, if you don't think leverage (you call it force) isn't - meatiger MU - 7/25 09:56:54
                                                  Not analogous (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 09:56:13
                                        RE: I see, you are having trouble grasping the concept of - meatiger MU - 7/25 09:49:48
                                   Straw man - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:41:38
                                        Eliminate or minimize, it doesn't matter. - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:43:07
          the average tariff on US goods - Ferg STL - 7/25 09:00:49
               Then that is NOT worth quibbling over. Trump - GA Tiger MU - 7/25 09:21:21
               Then it still isn't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:03:03
                    Even at 2% and 3%, we are talking about a whole lot - ummmm MU - 7/25 09:11:38
                         I agree, but would like to know how much higher it is when - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:13:48
                    Really? Tariffs are going up on both sides. - Ferg STL - 7/25 09:05:54
                         "Tariffs.are foolish and clearly a govt overreach..." - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:13:44
                              That's ridiculous and doesn't hold water (nm) - pickle MU - 7/25 09:36:17
                              why is it so simple for folks to simply disregard this when - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:14:35
                                   I guess TDS is more virulent than rotavirus - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:21:47
                         you just told me the average tariff levels are so low as to - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:07:19
     nationalism and racism open the door for fascism - pickle MU - 7/25 08:42:09
          From april 2013 - you claim the US was under fascist rule - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:10:42
          So America is currently under a fascist dictatorship? - Mizzou Lou KC - 7/25 09:02:06
               I didn't say dictatorship, so no - pickle MU - 7/25 09:34:53
                    lol, ok spanky (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:45:09
          So are we (the US) on the road to - tcat UMKC - 7/25 08:59:44
          such hyperbole (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 08:49:17
               you've chosen to put your head in the sand - pickle MU - 7/25 08:55:12
                    No, pickle, you've chosen hyperbole and rhetoric at - 90Tiger MU - 7/25 09:03:34




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