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Posted on: July 9, 2018 at 14:18:09 CT
JeffB MU
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Your two what ifs could not be more wrong.

If there is no God, there is no objective meaning to life.

If there is no God, and all of reality is just a random collection of molecules acting and reacting according to "the laws of nature", then, what in your opinion is "the objective meaning to life"?

You personally, and every other living creature would just be a random collection of atoms... a random collection that has been and will be rearranged an infinite number of times over an infinite amount of time.

Per the laws of thermodynamics eventually the universe will reach a state of equilibrium... everything will be the same temperature and motion will eventually cease.

The sun will have burned out long before that, of course, and all life on planet earth will have ceased before the sun burns out.

In that context, what was the meaning of the life of GAT, a random collection of atoms that existed for less than the blink of an eye on a speck of dust in the ever changing universe (at least up until it stops, potentially)?

If there is no God, there is no objective morality.

Once again, if you are a random collection of atoms/molecules which are merely obeying the laws of nature, what is "morality" based upon?

If your brain is nothing more than a computer... a bunch of electrons flowing solely at the direction of the laws of nature, you really have no free will do you?

It is no more "immoral" for a lion to kill a zebra than it is for a tree limb in a windstorm to fall on a rabbit is it? Why would it be immoral for you to kill someone else if you felt like it? Or to rape someone else, or to steal one or more of their possessions? Isn't that just "the laws of nature" in action?
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The fatal flaw, false premise of anarcho-capitalists like - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:40:19
     Your two what ifs could not be more wrong. And - GA Tiger MU - 7/9 13:24:26
          Please expound: - JeffB MU - 7/9 14:18:09
               "Meaning to life" has no real meaning to me, - GA Tiger MU - 7/9 15:14:12
                    Yes, we can say something started what we got & what we are' - JeffB MU - 7/9 16:16:39
     There are definitely fatal flaw(s) to the premise and more - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 7/9 13:13:32
          What are the flaws to the premise - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:22:28
     So, are you opposed to all logical exercises that don't - ummmm MU - 7/9 12:55:35
          Not necessarily. Perhaps there are some benefits to - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:06:55
               But what about this: - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:13:39
                    RE: But what about this: - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:34:35
                         Rothbard did not form his beliefs on "there is no God" - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:39:06
                         Here's a more likely reason that AnCap is bogus. - GA Tiger MU - 7/9 13:38:43
                              you're a waste of time and effort, GAT - pickle MU - 7/9 13:44:14
               RE: Not necessarily. Perhaps there are some benefits to - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:12:03
                    The truth can be true whether it can theoretically be refute - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:54:29
                         which is irrelevant to the point and doesn't contest it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 14:00:52
                              If your point is that one cannot assert something as true if - JeffB MU - 7/9 14:03:44
                                   No, my point is that your position is a logical fallacy, Jef - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 15:02:01
                                        That's absurd. - JeffB MU - 7/9 16:11:24
                                             jeff, you're literally an illogical person. - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 18:19:20
                    RE: Not necessarily. Perhaps there are some benefits to - Gaseous Clay MU - 7/9 13:16:44
          yes (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:01:50
               That seems to be the tenor of his post. (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:05:00
     god and religion have as much to do with anarcho-capitalism - pickle MU - 7/9 12:49:45
          Do Rothbard's beliefs in re: a right to be free from interfe - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:54:49
     That's not an objective finding. - ummmm MU - 7/9 12:47:10
          There is an objective Truth, regardless of what anyone - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:48:04
               That's what anarchocapitalists are doing. - ummmm MU - 7/9 12:56:34
                    Self-ownership as defined by atheistic anarcho-capitalists - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:00:29
                         Why is it incompatible? - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:03:55
                              Notice the adjective *atheistic* anarcho-capitalists... - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:13:42
                                   See, you're demonstrating the flaw in your OP. - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:15:08
                                        That was not an assertion of mine in the OP. I was - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:37:39
                                             name them (nm) - pickle MU - 7/9 13:44:36
                                             Their atheism is mutually exclusive from their logic of - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:43:46
                                                  Their atheism is not mutually exclusive from their - JeffB MU - 7/9 14:00:50
                                                       We know - pickle MU - 7/9 14:12:01
               Self-sealing fallacy Jeff - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:51:05
                    A premise is not an 'argument'. - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:57:39
                         this may help you - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:59:43
                              Tip: Trying to discern the Spiritual with the carnal - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:11:52
                                   which one of us is doing the claiming and discerning - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:13:03
                         holy **** - pickle MU - 7/9 12:58:00
     Lol, I have plenty of meaning to my life without your - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:44:01
     RE: The fatal flaw, false premise of anarcho-capitalists like - MrBlueSky MU - 7/9 12:42:24
          I said 'objective meaning'. You have your subjective meaning - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:46:57
               I have zero interest in your subjective morality being used - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:48:55
                    Truth is Truth regardless of my beliefs... or yours. (nm) - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:50:04
                         RE: Truth is Truth regardless of my beliefs... or yours. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:51:22
                              JeffB is Right, Truth is Truth - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 12:59:04
                                   yeah, sure, fester and you in all your humility have - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:00:19
                                        I am not the most humble nor the best Xample for sure but - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:02:23
                                             who is trying to change that? - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:13:35
                                                  RE: who is trying to change that? - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:23:22
          it never ceases to startle me the arrogance and presump - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:45:46
               Some of us embrace reality 90 - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:08:29
                    RE: Some of us embrace reality 90 - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:13:53
                         RE: Some of us embrace reality 90 - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:24:03




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