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RE: Some of us embrace reality 90

Posted on: July 9, 2018 at 13:13:53 CT
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Self-Sealing Argument
(also known as: vacuous argument)

Description: An argument or position is self-sealing if and only if no evidence can be brought against it no matter what.

Example #1:

Wherever you go, there you are.

Explanation: You can’t argue against that position, and as a result, it is vacuous, or meaningless.

Example #2:

Tina: My life is guided by destiny.

Mary: How do you know that?

Tina: Whatever comes my way is what was meant to be.

Explanation: We have the same vacuity problem here, except this one is less obvious and protected by a philosophical belief system. There is no possible way we can know what "destiny may have in store for us," thus no way to argue against it. As a result, it is meaningless -- it is the equivalent of saying everything happens because it happens.

Tip: Realize that most superstitious beliefs are centered around self-sealing or vacuous arguments, that is why so many people refuse to let go of superstitious beliefs -- because they cannot be proven false.
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The fatal flaw, false premise of anarcho-capitalists like - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:40:19
     Your two what ifs could not be more wrong. And - GA Tiger MU - 7/9 13:24:26
          Please expound: - JeffB MU - 7/9 14:18:09
               "Meaning to life" has no real meaning to me, - GA Tiger MU - 7/9 15:14:12
                    Yes, we can say something started what we got & what we are' - JeffB MU - 7/9 16:16:39
     There are definitely fatal flaw(s) to the premise and more - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 7/9 13:13:32
          What are the flaws to the premise - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:22:28
     So, are you opposed to all logical exercises that don't - ummmm MU - 7/9 12:55:35
          Not necessarily. Perhaps there are some benefits to - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:06:55
               But what about this: - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:13:39
                    RE: But what about this: - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:34:35
                         Rothbard did not form his beliefs on "there is no God" - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:39:06
                         Here's a more likely reason that AnCap is bogus. - GA Tiger MU - 7/9 13:38:43
                              you're a waste of time and effort, GAT - pickle MU - 7/9 13:44:14
               RE: Not necessarily. Perhaps there are some benefits to - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:12:03
                    The truth can be true whether it can theoretically be refute - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:54:29
                         which is irrelevant to the point and doesn't contest it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 14:00:52
                              If your point is that one cannot assert something as true if - JeffB MU - 7/9 14:03:44
                                   No, my point is that your position is a logical fallacy, Jef - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 15:02:01
                                        That's absurd. - JeffB MU - 7/9 16:11:24
                                             jeff, you're literally an illogical person. - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 18:19:20
                    RE: Not necessarily. Perhaps there are some benefits to - Gaseous Clay MU - 7/9 13:16:44
          yes (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:01:50
               That seems to be the tenor of his post. (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:05:00
     god and religion have as much to do with anarcho-capitalism - pickle MU - 7/9 12:49:45
          Do Rothbard's beliefs in re: a right to be free from interfe - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:54:49
     That's not an objective finding. - ummmm MU - 7/9 12:47:10
          There is an objective Truth, regardless of what anyone - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:48:04
               That's what anarchocapitalists are doing. - ummmm MU - 7/9 12:56:34
                    Self-ownership as defined by atheistic anarcho-capitalists - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:00:29
                         Why is it incompatible? - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:03:55
                              Notice the adjective *atheistic* anarcho-capitalists... - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:13:42
                                   See, you're demonstrating the flaw in your OP. - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:15:08
                                        That was not an assertion of mine in the OP. I was - JeffB MU - 7/9 13:37:39
                                             name them (nm) - pickle MU - 7/9 13:44:36
                                             Their atheism is mutually exclusive from their logic of - ummmm MU - 7/9 13:43:46
                                                  Their atheism is not mutually exclusive from their - JeffB MU - 7/9 14:00:50
                                                       We know - pickle MU - 7/9 14:12:01
               Self-sealing fallacy Jeff - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:51:05
                    A premise is not an 'argument'. - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:57:39
                         this may help you - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:59:43
                              Tip: Trying to discern the Spiritual with the carnal - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:11:52
                                   which one of us is doing the claiming and discerning - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:13:03
                         holy **** - pickle MU - 7/9 12:58:00
     Lol, I have plenty of meaning to my life without your - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:44:01
     RE: The fatal flaw, false premise of anarcho-capitalists like - MrBlueSky MU - 7/9 12:42:24
          I said 'objective meaning'. You have your subjective meaning - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:46:57
               I have zero interest in your subjective morality being used - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:48:55
                    Truth is Truth regardless of my beliefs... or yours. (nm) - JeffB MU - 7/9 12:50:04
                         RE: Truth is Truth regardless of my beliefs... or yours. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:51:22
                              JeffB is Right, Truth is Truth - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 12:59:04
                                   yeah, sure, fester and you in all your humility have - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:00:19
                                        I am not the most humble nor the best Xample for sure but - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:02:23
                                             who is trying to change that? - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:13:35
                                                  RE: who is trying to change that? - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:23:22
          it never ceases to startle me the arrogance and presump - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 12:45:46
               Some of us embrace reality 90 - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:08:29
                    RE: Some of us embrace reality 90 - 90Tiger MU - 7/9 13:13:53
                         RE: Some of us embrace reality 90 - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/9 13:24:03




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