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I don't believe he refutes anything at all...

Posted on: June 10, 2018 at 21:50:01 CT
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"So even if every premise were true and logically valid, the argument would not point to Theism as the conclusion."

In Professor Kreeft's argument that I presented, "God" is defined as "The First Cause". The proof does not purport to prove the God of the Jews, the Trinitarian God of the Christians or any other theistic deity... Just the Cause of everything...

The universe cannot explain itself, nor how it came into existence.


Can You Prove God Exists?

http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm

Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God

http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm
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If God actually existed, he is an a**hole. - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 20:25:14
     Matt - I empathize with you and also believe the notion - 90Tiger MU - 6/11 08:34:05
     If he doesn't exist why the rant ? - Nohawks MU - 6/11 08:08:40
          silly (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 6/11 08:34:22
     No, the story starts off with God creating all things, - MizzouTigerz MU - 6/10 23:56:15
          RE: No, the story starts off with God creating all things, - sarasotatiger MU - 12/17 04:11:22
          Faith is a euphamism for "I set up a system that explains - 90Tiger MU - 6/11 08:35:10
               Except for the part where you utterly fail to understand - MizzouTigerz MU - 6/14 20:02:35
     I can answer your questions in mechanical routine, but what - BigTime SEMO - 6/10 23:34:54
     What if God was one of us? - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 22:08:59
     RE: If God actually existed, he is an a**hole. - MUTGR MU - 6/10 21:34:35
     The reality of your experience... - scif MU - 6/10 21:23:55
          Well said, scif. (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:54:22
     Religions are not based on logic or science. They are based - recruiter MU - 6/10 21:22:47
     No mention of mohamed and the muzz. I guess they're ok? Nm - hokie VT - 6/10 21:14:33
          JFC. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:25:59
               such a pussy (nm) - pickle MU - 6/10 21:27:03
          RE: No mention of mohamed and the muzz. I guess they're ok? Nm - mizzoumurfkc MU - 6/10 21:22:10
               Mohamed and the muzz would be a great punk rock band name - Uncle Fester USMC - 6/10 21:48:35
               Yes. - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:24:12
                    RE: Yes. - mizzoumurfkc MU - 6/10 21:29:53
          poor hokie (nm) - pickle MU - 6/10 21:19:56
     Actually, isn’t Trump’s miraculous rise to the highest - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 21:09:25
     the whole notion of it is silly - pickle MU - 6/10 21:00:13
          As silly as the idea that you are a random collection of - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:09:08
               As silly as the notion you can't believe we are here - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:12:07
                    That's not silly, it's common sense. - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:17:39
                         Ummm yeah.. about that. - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:25:05
                              I don't believe he refutes anything at all... - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:50:01
                                   None of those 20 arguments are convincing except to - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:57:18
                                        Look at the evidence. You have NONE to support your - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:59:25
                                             You have NONE to support the notion of a creator. - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 22:00:41
                                                  I would say that there is, though that depends upon - JeffB MU - 6/11 08:12:51
                         lmfao (nm) - pickle MU - 6/10 21:19:32
          Whats sillier is that were posting back and forth to each - Uncle Fester USMC - 6/10 21:05:04
     RE: If God actually existed, he is an a**hole. - MUTGR MU - 6/10 20:58:19
          Nm - hokie VT - 6/10 21:12:17
     So only good things should happen to Christians? - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 20:49:28
     IKR, my brother’s lactose intolerant. - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 20:48:40
          At least he doesn't have irritable bowel.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 20:49:45
               Theeeeeeeere’s that smile. Keep your chin up buddy. Now run - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 20:53:45
     Tell me all you’re thoughts on God, cause I’d really like to - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 20:47:20
     I think you have a number of misconceptions, misunderstandin - JeffB MU - 6/10 20:42:51
          #2 is why Jesus death was no sacrifice. Jesus is God. God - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 20:48:57
               For 3 days? - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 20:52:25
                    So he did a sh1t job creating humans if it was such a - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:00:43
                         That's not on God. That's on Adam & Eve. - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:06:42
                              god made them, lol, but blame the kids (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 6/11 08:39:04
                              It is completely. No reason why God would force inherited - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:09:34
                                   If God is real, Then you presuming to understand why he does - Uncle Fester USMC - 6/10 21:15:06
                                        It doesnt make him not an a**hole.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:17:07
                                   How else would He have punished them?(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:11:47
                                        Punish the kids for sins of the parent? That is so just(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:13:25
                                             No, what's unjust is.... - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:16:26
                                                  You are missing the point. Inherited sin is B.S.. He kicked - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:18:49
                                                       Well, Cain killed Abel, so I'd say that's pretty evil. - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:20:08
                                                            Correct. But he had inherited a sinful nature because God - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:27:17
                                                                 No. His parents gave him a sinful nature. - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:30:19
                                                                      God created it that way. There is absolutely no reason - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:34:23
                                                                           Yes, there is a reason why sin is now inherited.... - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:37:24
                                                                                God did make sin inheritable. He chose it to be that way.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:40:30
                                                                                     Adam & Eve chose it to be that way. - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:48:36
                                                                                          Did Cain & Abel choose to inherit sin? Or did God set it up - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:49:49
                                                                                               No, but they didn't choose to be born either. - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 21:54:36
                                                                                                    Mankind did not make a choice. Two people did. And God by - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:58:38
                                                                                                         You know what else is a sign of a not just being? - AllThingsKC KC - 6/10 22:01:03
                                   You misunderstand... - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:11:29
     The perennial question - why evil - Nohawks MU - 6/10 20:41:46
     Those are questions with no answers. None. That - GA Tiger MU - 6/10 20:36:34
     The lord worketh in mysterious ways, brother. Perhaps he’s - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 20:32:41
     I'd be angry if God made me so stupid too - JG A - 6/10 20:32:17
          You, as an adult, joined a space cult. It doesnt get any - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 20:59:41
               LOL as if to prove exactly what I said - JG A - 6/10 21:15:33
                    I guess you were dragged in against your will.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:28:32
          He got mad thetans, yo! 👻 - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 20:33:41
     If the world was a perfect place - Uncle Fester USMC - 6/10 20:29:41
          Deuteronomy 24:16 is a lie. - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 20:41:03
               Adam and Eve lost the original grace given to them by God - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:04:06
                    Except God had a human mother. So why did he not inherit - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:16:41
                         God created Adam and Eve perfected in grace, but they - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:31:55
                              If Mary being protected from original sin were true.. logic - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 21:43:26
                                   God chose to redeem the world by creating a New Eve, - JeffB MU - 6/10 21:52:18
                                        Because that makes absolutely no sense. He could have - TigerMatt MU - 6/10 22:05:35
                                             Your paradigm is fatally flawed. As I've told you multiple - JeffB MU - 6/11 07:02:39
          ! - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 20:35:49
          people would properly use the subjunctive (nm) - pickle MU - 6/10 20:32:33
               How was prison? - Emoji Man MSU - 6/10 20:42:22
               I thought about it and then decided that was more likely - Uncle Fester USMC - 6/10 20:36:34




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