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That doesn't mean a player has a major attitude issue

Posted on: June 5, 2018 at 11:30:53 CT
FIJItiger MU
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He was better than Geist in every capacity, was behind him considerably in the rotation, and MU was losing games and underperforming because of it. So he decided to go elsewhere.

That happens all over college basketball all the time, without such an obvious example of a lesser player being ahead of a superior player.

Edited by FIJItiger at 11:31:20 on 06/05/18
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The more I see of, the more I think we need Caleb Love(nm) - Ozark Apple MU - 6/5 09:04:37
     Is he a "target"? - MakeShift MU - 6/5 12:43:57
     We need an assistant who can coach X's and O's - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/5 12:35:13
          BRING BACK THE DADGUM CRISP CHEST PASSES AND 8 WINS!!!1 - Mothball MU - 6/5 22:45:43
          Have we ever had a head coach in history who wasn't - MakeShift MU - 6/5 13:08:46
               Norm was more of a motivational guy than a wizard strategist - alwaysright MU - 6/5 17:51:30
               And Norm, I believe, would not even consider zone D. - GA Tiger MU - 6/5 13:16:07
               Walter Meanwell was highly revered (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:11:54
          Nestor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 6/5 12:44:18
          We have one of each, thankfully.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 6/5 12:36:25
     When he played against Ramey he outshines Ramey - BOILERTIGER MU - 6/5 09:47:31
          Would this be true if Ramey had picked MU? - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:39:36
               I didn't say he was better than Ramey - BOILERTIGER MU - 6/5 13:39:50
                    Who won? (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 13:57:56
                         WG won the game - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 14:28:51
                              So it was a close game (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 14:35:53
                                   WG won by 14 - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 14:54:29
                                        Which doesn't mean much since being - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:18:27
                                             It was close until Love fouled out - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 16:07:59
               Both - Domino MU - 6/5 12:51:04
                    True. Sometimes HS dominance doesn't translate to college. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:06:51
                         Love has been really good on the EYBL circuit - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 13:20:14
                              cool(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:37:27
     He might already be better than the guards Mizzou will use - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 09:28:02
          Seems like we hear this every year(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:11:13
               Because our talent level isn't that great - MakeShift MU - 6/5 12:45:21
                    The kim era has scarred you - DevilsAdvocate MU - 6/5 20:00:04
               Well we have Jordan Geist as our starting PG - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:19:02
                    Thank God we have him. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 13:22:15
                         Yes, because probably couldn't go into a season with just - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:29:24
                              RE: Yes, because probably couldn't go into a season with just - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:42:03
                                   That has been my point all along - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:56:47
                                   I've voiced that concern many times on here. My educated - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:55:47
                                        Or - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 14:01:45
                                             Pinson is a P6 athlete, it is fair to question if he’s - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 14:25:57
                                                  If - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:19:26
                    Before that Terrance Phillips, then Keith Shamburger(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 10:21:17
                         For distribution purposes and ball control, I'd be fine with - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:41:55
                    There's no chance he is better than Geist right now. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:20:47
                         Geist's #'s were better than most realize(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:40:28
                              What numbers show he was an effective pg? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:45:23
                                   The ones you'll ignore(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:11:15
                                        It was sarcasm, there aren't any (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:12:49
                                             Well the brief window of time when we could expect - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:15:58
                                                  I am the same person I have always been (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:17:11
                                                       Nah, KA ruined you(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:35:53
                                                            I endured and overcame his wrath on MU bb, still here (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:57:44
                                                                 Still doesn't explain why you refuse to be intellectually - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 14:02:41
                                                                      Kim didn't cause either of those.(nm) - sprintcar STL - 6/5 14:08:20
                                                                           This is true(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:21:54
                              Doesn't stop certain fans from bashing on him. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 12:42:47
                         Do you say that based on box scores? - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 10:59:08
                              If Geist was not somewhat of a disaster on the defensive - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 11:01:19
                                   But he is, and also at a massive athletic disadvantage and - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:09:49
                                        What stats show he was a defensive disaster?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:41:05
                                             What? There aren't, but should be, "penetrated at will" - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 12:53:09
                                                  Yep. Lateral Quickness matters a great deal for defense. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:09:59
                                                       Definitely and too bad Harris left, from a talent standpoint - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:30:40
                                                            I agree, but think the "headcase" stuff has been overblown. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:36:47
                                                                 Surly kid. Bounced around in HS. Reportedly didn't - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:49:28
                                                                      devil's advocate - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:57:05
                                                                           wu-tangtiger had mentioned it many times and he's the - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:58:05
                                                                                Well, that destroys the credibility to me, then.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 14:03:10
                                                                                     Based on what? (nm) - Cosmo MU - 6/5 15:12:35
                                                                                          A poster on a message board isn't sufficient evidence - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:20:31
                                                                                     There were hints to that affect by media members throughout - sprintcar STL - 6/5 14:14:16
                                                                                          True, I remember CM calling him out after a non-conf game. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:21:35
                                                                                               I think CM was tired of him and nudged him out the door - sprintcar STL - 6/5 15:46:55
                                                                                                    I can tell you one thing. He sure as heck didn't give two - Uncle John MU - 6/5 16:23:43
                                                                                                    He certainly didn't dissuade him from leaving. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 16:23:07
                                                                 I was never a head case. Had a lot of friends that - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 13:48:35
                                             There aren't stats for that. You have to watch the games(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:41:47
                                                  Way to undercut your own flawed claim. Not new(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:11:42
                                                       Apologies, I can't respond since this doesn't make sense(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:15:27
                                                            I accept your apology(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:16:39
                                        I agree with you. That's why it was unreal how much - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:10:56
                                             We would have won 25 games with Harris as primary pg - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:12:41
                                                  only a moron would worship all the guys that leave - Jeff85 MU - 6/5 18:05:18
                                                  LOL(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:41:21
                                                       At an absolute minimum - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:48:00
                                                            and easily won the SEC, SEC Tourney and gone to F4. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:10:53
                                                                 No. Auburn, Tennessee, and UK were all considerably - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:14:43
                                                                      At least 30 wins and an Elite 8(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:16:23
                                                                           I would say 25 or 26, as indicated in the post - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:17:47
                                                                                Okay. 32(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:37:09
                                                            That's funny. He was there for a few of those games - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 13:08:18
                                                                 He was not our primary pg. Otherwise those would - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:13:41
                                                       Get a room bj (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 6/5 12:41:39
                                                  No. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:13:05
                                                       Ok, 26 games. Now we are just splitting hairs (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:14:54
                                                            Harris may have taken a massive step forward over - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:18:33
                                                                 Like I said, we would be coming off a 25+ win season with - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:25:30
                                                                      Of course he does. He transferred because he didn't - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:28:20
                                                                           That doesn't mean a player has a major attitude issue - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:30:53
                                                                                He was behind Geist because Geist outworks him - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:32:04
                                                                                     1st part is true, 2nd part isn't - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:38:35
                                                                                          Only a moron would call from 8 wins to 20 and from 13th in - sprintcar STL - 6/5 12:52:30
                                                                                               Only a moran would use Kim's results as a benchmark for - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:01:41
                                                                                                    CM also had a ton of new talent(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:47:29
                                   I suspect Harris will never be very good. He appears to - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:03:58
                                        So was Anthony Peeler, to a larger degree (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:15:33
                                             Peeler wasn't the entitled type of moran (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:18:52
                                                  Oh yes he was. And several other - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:23:12
                                                       No Peeler worked his a$$ off on both ends of the court - Uncle John MU - 6/5 11:52:55
                                                            Like when he was ineligible for a semester, or when - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:56:18
                                                            Him choking a woman was Norm's problem how?(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:54:26
                                                                 I don't remember him going to jail for this stuff. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 12:10:25
                                                                      RE: I don't remember him going to jail for this stuff. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:27:19
                                                                           I don't remember any of that stuff. Sounds like a gangster. - Uncle John MU - 6/5 12:39:44
                                                                                I think to a large degree he did. Went back and got - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:43:26
                                                       What are you basing this on? - Lakers32 MU - 6/5 11:39:43
                                                            First of all I'm using him as an example because - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:43:04
                                                            Pretty sure Peeler was beating women....(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:42:44
                                        Yeah and kinda' surprising given his dad was a solid - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 11:07:55
                              Harris was clearly more skilled, better defender. He - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:00:24
                                   That was obvious (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 11:55:41
                                   That last statement is a good example - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:07:51
                                        Yes, yes they did. Which is why Geist got the minutes.(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:09:27
                                             You sound like an old Kim fan (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:10:59
                                                  Nope. Was against the hire, hated every minute of it. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:11:41
                                                       Watch 2nd half of Braggin Rights. If a coach uses - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:14:27
                                   When Harris was playing well Mizzou was better with him - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 11:02:32
                         Caleb Love would start from day one here. Ramey would - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:40:31
                              He is ranked similarly to what Phillips was so I think - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:44:48
                                   Love is ranked much higher in his class than Phillips - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 10:56:52
                                        Love is 131. Phillips was 140. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:57:28
                                             Phillips was 165 - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 11:00:41
                                                  Phillips was 140 by Rivals. That's where I got my info. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:06:03
                                                       Love had a great spring - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 11:12:01
                                             He'll shoot up the rankings. Phillips, in all fairness, was - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:59:20
                                   Phillips was overrated and in retrospect, his offer list - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:55:08
                                        Love is projected to grow a couple more inches - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 10:58:12
                                             Yep and Phillips is projected to keep getting shorter(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:59:41
                                                  That usually happens with old age(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 11:12:06
                    In a year when Mizzou has Dru and Mark Smith to go with - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 10:20:46
                         Absolutely fine in a year. You'd know better than me, but - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:39:50
     What Mizzou needs now - MizzouAstro MU - 6/5 09:21:29
          haha(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:10:25
          Print the t shirts(nm) - Ozark Apple MU - 6/5 09:27:01
          Kindly - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 09:22:21
               ^^^ Doesn't like to be around clever people.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/5 10:06:06
                    RE: ^^^ Doesn't like to be around clever people.(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 10:13:21
                         Mid, I'm hurt. Where you from?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/5 10:16:40
                              Como(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 10:18:13




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