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Do you say that based on box scores?

Posted on: June 5, 2018 at 10:59:08 CT
FIJItiger MU
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It seems weird anyone would actually watch our games and conclude that Geist was better than Harris last year. Seems to require a fundamental misunderstanding of what a pg does.
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The more I see of, the more I think we need Caleb Love(nm) - Ozark Apple MU - 6/5 09:04:37
     Is he a "target"? - MakeShift MU - 6/5 12:43:57
     We need an assistant who can coach X's and O's - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/5 12:35:13
          BRING BACK THE DADGUM CRISP CHEST PASSES AND 8 WINS!!!1 - Mothball MU - 6/5 22:45:43
          Have we ever had a head coach in history who wasn't - MakeShift MU - 6/5 13:08:46
               Norm was more of a motivational guy than a wizard strategist - alwaysright MU - 6/5 17:51:30
               And Norm, I believe, would not even consider zone D. - GA Tiger MU - 6/5 13:16:07
               Walter Meanwell was highly revered (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:11:54
          Nestor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 6/5 12:44:18
          We have one of each, thankfully.(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 6/5 12:36:25
     When he played against Ramey he outshines Ramey - BOILERTIGER MU - 6/5 09:47:31
          Would this be true if Ramey had picked MU? - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:39:36
               I didn't say he was better than Ramey - BOILERTIGER MU - 6/5 13:39:50
                    Who won? (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 13:57:56
                         WG won the game - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 14:28:51
                              So it was a close game (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 14:35:53
                                   WG won by 14 - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 14:54:29
                                        Which doesn't mean much since being - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:18:27
                                             It was close until Love fouled out - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 16:07:59
               Both - Domino MU - 6/5 12:51:04
                    True. Sometimes HS dominance doesn't translate to college. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:06:51
                         Love has been really good on the EYBL circuit - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 13:20:14
                              cool(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:37:27
     He might already be better than the guards Mizzou will use - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 09:28:02
          Seems like we hear this every year(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:11:13
               Because our talent level isn't that great - MakeShift MU - 6/5 12:45:21
                    The kim era has scarred you - DevilsAdvocate MU - 6/5 20:00:04
               Well we have Jordan Geist as our starting PG - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:19:02
                    Thank God we have him. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 13:22:15
                         Yes, because probably couldn't go into a season with just - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:29:24
                              RE: Yes, because probably couldn't go into a season with just - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:42:03
                                   That has been my point all along - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:56:47
                                   I've voiced that concern many times on here. My educated - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:55:47
                                        Or - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 14:01:45
                                             Pinson is a P6 athlete, it is fair to question if he’s - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 14:25:57
                                                  If - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:19:26
                    Before that Terrance Phillips, then Keith Shamburger(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 10:21:17
                         For distribution purposes and ball control, I'd be fine with - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:41:55
                    There's no chance he is better than Geist right now. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:20:47
                         Geist's #'s were better than most realize(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:40:28
                              What numbers show he was an effective pg? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:45:23
                                   The ones you'll ignore(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:11:15
                                        It was sarcasm, there aren't any (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:12:49
                                             Well the brief window of time when we could expect - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:15:58
                                                  I am the same person I have always been (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:17:11
                                                       Nah, KA ruined you(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:35:53
                                                            I endured and overcame his wrath on MU bb, still here (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:57:44
                                                                 Still doesn't explain why you refuse to be intellectually - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 14:02:41
                                                                      Kim didn't cause either of those.(nm) - sprintcar STL - 6/5 14:08:20
                                                                           This is true(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:21:54
                              Doesn't stop certain fans from bashing on him. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 12:42:47
                         Do you say that based on box scores? - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 10:59:08
                              If Geist was not somewhat of a disaster on the defensive - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 11:01:19
                                   But he is, and also at a massive athletic disadvantage and - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:09:49
                                        What stats show he was a defensive disaster?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:41:05
                                             What? There aren't, but should be, "penetrated at will" - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 12:53:09
                                                  Yep. Lateral Quickness matters a great deal for defense. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:09:59
                                                       Definitely and too bad Harris left, from a talent standpoint - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:30:40
                                                            I agree, but think the "headcase" stuff has been overblown. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:36:47
                                                                 Surly kid. Bounced around in HS. Reportedly didn't - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:49:28
                                                                      devil's advocate - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:57:05
                                                                           wu-tangtiger had mentioned it many times and he's the - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 13:58:05
                                                                                Well, that destroys the credibility to me, then.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 14:03:10
                                                                                     Based on what? (nm) - Cosmo MU - 6/5 15:12:35
                                                                                          A poster on a message board isn't sufficient evidence - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:20:31
                                                                                     There were hints to that affect by media members throughout - sprintcar STL - 6/5 14:14:16
                                                                                          True, I remember CM calling him out after a non-conf game. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:21:35
                                                                                               I think CM was tired of him and nudged him out the door - sprintcar STL - 6/5 15:46:55
                                                                                                    I can tell you one thing. He sure as heck didn't give two - Uncle John MU - 6/5 16:23:43
                                                                                                    He certainly didn't dissuade him from leaving. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 16:23:07
                                                                 I was never a head case. Had a lot of friends that - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 13:48:35
                                             There aren't stats for that. You have to watch the games(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:41:47
                                                  Way to undercut your own flawed claim. Not new(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:11:42
                                                       Apologies, I can't respond since this doesn't make sense(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:15:27
                                                            I accept your apology(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:16:39
                                        I agree with you. That's why it was unreal how much - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:10:56
                                             We would have won 25 games with Harris as primary pg - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:12:41
                                                  only a moron would worship all the guys that leave - Jeff85 MU - 6/5 18:05:18
                                                  LOL(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 12:41:21
                                                       At an absolute minimum - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:48:00
                                                            and easily won the SEC, SEC Tourney and gone to F4. - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:10:53
                                                                 No. Auburn, Tennessee, and UK were all considerably - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:14:43
                                                                      At least 30 wins and an Elite 8(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:16:23
                                                                           I would say 25 or 26, as indicated in the post - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:17:47
                                                                                Okay. 32(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 13:37:09
                                                            That's funny. He was there for a few of those games - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 13:08:18
                                                                 He was not our primary pg. Otherwise those would - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:13:41
                                                       Get a room bj (nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 6/5 12:41:39
                                                  No. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:13:05
                                                       Ok, 26 games. Now we are just splitting hairs (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:14:54
                                                            Harris may have taken a massive step forward over - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:18:33
                                                                 Like I said, we would be coming off a 25+ win season with - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:25:30
                                                                      Of course he does. He transferred because he didn't - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:28:20
                                                                           That doesn't mean a player has a major attitude issue - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:30:53
                                                                                He was behind Geist because Geist outworks him - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:32:04
                                                                                     1st part is true, 2nd part isn't - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:38:35
                                                                                          Only a moron would call from 8 wins to 20 and from 13th in - sprintcar STL - 6/5 12:52:30
                                                                                               Only a moran would use Kim's results as a benchmark for - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 13:01:41
                                                                                                    CM also had a ton of new talent(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 6/5 15:47:29
                                   I suspect Harris will never be very good. He appears to - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:03:58
                                        So was Anthony Peeler, to a larger degree (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:15:33
                                             Peeler wasn't the entitled type of moran (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:18:52
                                                  Oh yes he was. And several other - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:23:12
                                                       No Peeler worked his a$$ off on both ends of the court - Uncle John MU - 6/5 11:52:55
                                                            Like when he was ineligible for a semester, or when - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:56:18
                                                            Him choking a woman was Norm's problem how?(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:54:26
                                                                 I don't remember him going to jail for this stuff. (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 12:10:25
                                                                      RE: I don't remember him going to jail for this stuff. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:27:19
                                                                           I don't remember any of that stuff. Sounds like a gangster. - Uncle John MU - 6/5 12:39:44
                                                                                I think to a large degree he did. Went back and got - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 12:43:26
                                                       What are you basing this on? - Lakers32 MU - 6/5 11:39:43
                                                            First of all I'm using him as an example because - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:43:04
                                                            Pretty sure Peeler was beating women....(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:42:44
                                        Yeah and kinda' surprising given his dad was a solid - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 11:07:55
                              Harris was clearly more skilled, better defender. He - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:00:24
                                   That was obvious (nm) - Uncle John MU - 6/5 11:55:41
                                   That last statement is a good example - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:07:51
                                        Yes, yes they did. Which is why Geist got the minutes.(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:09:27
                                             You sound like an old Kim fan (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:10:59
                                                  Nope. Was against the hire, hated every minute of it. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:11:41
                                                       Watch 2nd half of Braggin Rights. If a coach uses - FIJItiger MU - 6/5 11:14:27
                                   When Harris was playing well Mizzou was better with him - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 11:02:32
                         Caleb Love would start from day one here. Ramey would - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:40:31
                              He is ranked similarly to what Phillips was so I think - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:44:48
                                   Love is ranked much higher in his class than Phillips - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 10:56:52
                                        Love is 131. Phillips was 140. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:57:28
                                             Phillips was 165 - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 11:00:41
                                                  Phillips was 140 by Rivals. That's where I got my info. - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 11:06:03
                                                       Love had a great spring - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 11:12:01
                                             He'll shoot up the rankings. Phillips, in all fairness, was - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:59:20
                                   Phillips was overrated and in retrospect, his offer list - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:55:08
                                        Love is projected to grow a couple more inches - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 10:58:12
                                             Yep and Phillips is projected to keep getting shorter(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:59:41
                                                  That usually happens with old age(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 11:12:06
                    In a year when Mizzou has Dru and Mark Smith to go with - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/5 10:20:46
                         Absolutely fine in a year. You'd know better than me, but - Diamond Dave MU - 6/5 10:39:50
     What Mizzou needs now - MizzouAstro MU - 6/5 09:21:29
          haha(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 6/5 10:10:25
          Print the t shirts(nm) - Ozark Apple MU - 6/5 09:27:01
          Kindly - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 09:22:21
               ^^^ Doesn't like to be around clever people.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/5 10:06:06
                    RE: ^^^ Doesn't like to be around clever people.(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 10:13:21
                         Mid, I'm hurt. Where you from?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/5 10:16:40
                              Como(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 6/5 10:18:13




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