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Posted on: May 10, 2018 at 14:01:33 CT

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best, let alone when the group is others and not you.

Trump isn't responsible for Europe's best interests.

I'm not commenting on right/wrong of the move here, but your logic.

Edited by 90Tiger at 14:14:12 on 05/10/18

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First few minutes of podcast is a former CIA agent - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 13:50:47

If we could get a better deal that would stop them from - Badird MU - 5/10 13:54:35

leverage. And groupthink isn't a good barometer for what's - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:01:33

The best interests of the world is a non nuclear Iran - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:06:56

you have a massive premise here (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:13:58

Also, Merkel agrees. - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:08:34

She seems to be discussing two things there. - StaleyTiger MU - 5/10 14:23:44

Agreed (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:41:51

I am assuming there will be further negotiations in the - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:07:56

And adding the sanctions again, as it has shown previously - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:10:08

it helped Obama get Iran to the table, per you (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:22:27

Removing sanctions did (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:25:38

Werent the removal of sanctions part of the deal, not - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 14:27:53

Excuse me, the offer of removing sanctions - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:30:58

oh, so sanctions did indeed bring them to the table. LOL(nm) - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 14:32:09

So yeah, by all means, slap harsh and economically - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:39:40

It's awesome how you change tack here when - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:52:01

I've been consistent. Sanctions are going to turn a - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:56:13

How about a young generation of Russians - Sal KC - 5/10 14:59:17

Luckily, the entire developed world isn't sanctioning - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:21:25

Is 'the whole world' sanctioning Iran? - Spanky KU - 5/10 17:11:28

There are U.S. sanctions on Russia - Sal KC - 5/10 15:29:08

BUT FRANCE DIDN'T JOIN IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:42:45

I love that people think other countries - Sal KC - 5/10 15:43:53

well the entire developed world sanctioned Iran and it - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:26:12

My point was Sal's question was irrelevant - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:27:25

lol, ouch(nm) - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 15:13:14

But Trump sucks so nah nah nabooboo(nm) - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 14:54:21

turn that around - the existence of sanctions brought Iran - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:27:41

whoops (nm) - Sal KC - 5/10 14:28:58

Why don't you apply this same logic with sanctions - Sal KC - 5/10 14:27:32

You love sanctions (nm) - Sal KC - 5/10 14:20:03

Obama should have gotten it right the first go around, - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:10:34

Getting Iran to the negotiating table in the first place was - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:12:38

translation: Sanctions got Iran to the table - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:14:54

Baker says "high likelihood they are not living up to their - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:16:12

High likelihood according to a former CIA agent - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:19:12

you need to stop equating "compliance" with "no longer - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:21:55

I don't know how anyone could agree to a deal where - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:23:13

it was a lot of political gain and feel good (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:23:53

Uhh, false. He talks about his relationship with Haspel - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:20:11

Again, I said I will watch it. I generally like Rogan's pod - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:23:44

If Trump starts war with Iran, 75% of his base is gone, - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:28:03

Nationalist, not isolationist (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:29:01

True, I also shouldn't have said in history...just the last - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:33:27

that's a massive and utterly unfounded jump you're making - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:25:33

I made no comments about Trump's intentions because - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:27:31

what's this sentence mean then? - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:28:27

Prediction. - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:29:46

uh....based on??? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:30:38

Based on Trump's National Security Adviser saying it is?? - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:33:48

Trump sucks and I hate him--Bluesky(nm) - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 14:31:26

No, because, as I've said in this thread - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:35:51

As does the whole civilized ****ing world and has for nearly - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 14:39:55

And we're to thank for the mess to begin with for 40+ - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:40:53

I guess you are only intolerant of the crazy religious here - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 14:46:39

He would certainly be a disgraced jew if he lived in Israel(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:53:20

Hardly, I've been offered to go on birthright several times - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:56:36

Israeli's love Trump for this. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 15:03:02

Well they want to nuke Iran themselves - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:05:09

I am? - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:50:53

Then you are all for a new deal that demands and - hefeweizen MU

- 5/10 15:16:18

My point is I believe that is not the end goal for the - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:21:57

I think the moon is made of bleu cheese! weeee! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:28:39

Watch the podcast. The "deal" was not stopping Iran - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:14:37

I'll watch it this evening, it's bookmarked. - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:17:54

You not knowing what the US end game or plan is isn't - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:20:24

They open up at the beginning, then move directly to 31:40 - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:18:27

Per this guy, we were never even allowed to inspect very - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 13:56:07

that's in the agreement, correct (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:01:48

It was my understanding that the IAEA was able to inspect - Badird MU - 5/10 13:58:26

not true (nm) - Sal KC - 5/10 14:15:57

True - tgr MU

- 5/10 14:09:23

False - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:16:57

Lol so 24 days after the deal? (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:11:23

RE: Lol so 24 days after the deal? (nm) - tgr MU

- 5/10 14:15:28

Start watching at 31:40 - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:19:15

Read the actual document: - tgr MU

- 5/10 14:34:42

RE: Read the actual document: - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:31:04

false (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:01:59

He gives a specific military site, which he says is the - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:00:33

Both France and Germany have said they are going to try - tgr MU

- 5/10 14:05:26

I guess they feel as though it's inadequate, it is better - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:06:44

BTW, it's all available online. - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:07:17