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If we could get a better deal that would stop them from

Posted on: May 10, 2018 at 13:54:35 CT
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developing ballistic missiles and stop their funding of terror, then great. Not sure why that couldnt be a side deal, but whatever.

IMO, pulling out of the original deal makes near-future negotiations with Iran impossible.

And when every other country in the deal wants to remain in (and publicly discouraged Trump from pulling out), you have to think that there is some good to it.

Edited by Badird at 13:55:29 on 05/10/18
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First few minutes of podcast is a former CIA agent - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 13:50:47
     If we could get a better deal that would stop them from - Badird MU - 5/10 13:54:35
          leverage. And groupthink isn't a good barometer for what's - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:01:33
               The best interests of the world is a non nuclear Iran - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:06:56
                    you have a massive premise here (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:13:58
                    Also, Merkel agrees. - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:08:34
                         She seems to be discussing two things there. - StaleyTiger MU - 5/10 14:23:44
                              Agreed (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:41:51
                    I am assuming there will be further negotiations in the - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:07:56
                         And adding the sanctions again, as it has shown previously - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:10:08
                              it helped Obama get Iran to the table, per you (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:22:27
                                   Removing sanctions did (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:25:38
                                        Werent the removal of sanctions part of the deal, not - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 14:27:53
                                             Excuse me, the offer of removing sanctions - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:30:58
                                                  oh, so sanctions did indeed bring them to the table. LOL(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 14:32:09
                                                       So yeah, by all means, slap harsh and economically - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:39:40
                                                            It's awesome how you change tack here when - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:52:01
                                                                 I've been consistent. Sanctions are going to turn a - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:56:13
                                                                      How about a young generation of Russians - Sal KC - 5/10 14:59:17
                                                                           Luckily, the entire developed world isn't sanctioning - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:21:25
                                                                                Is 'the whole world' sanctioning Iran? - Spanky KU - 5/10 17:11:28
                                                                                There are U.S. sanctions on Russia - Sal KC - 5/10 15:29:08
                                                                                     BUT FRANCE DIDN'T JOIN IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:42:45
                                                                                          I love that people think other countries - Sal KC - 5/10 15:43:53
                                                                                well the entire developed world sanctioned Iran and it - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:26:12
                                                                                     My point was Sal's question was irrelevant - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:27:25
                                                                           lol, ouch(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 15:13:14
                                                                 But Trump sucks so nah nah nabooboo(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 14:54:21
                                        turn that around - the existence of sanctions brought Iran - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:27:41
                                             whoops (nm) - Sal KC - 5/10 14:28:58
                                        Why don't you apply this same logic with sanctions - Sal KC - 5/10 14:27:32
                              You love sanctions (nm) - Sal KC - 5/10 14:20:03
                              Obama should have gotten it right the first go around, - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:10:34
                                   Getting Iran to the negotiating table in the first place was - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:12:38
                                        translation: Sanctions got Iran to the table - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:14:54
                                             Baker says "high likelihood they are not living up to their - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:16:12
                                                  High likelihood according to a former CIA agent - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:19:12
                                                       you need to stop equating "compliance" with "no longer - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:21:55
                                                            I don't know how anyone could agree to a deal where - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:23:13
                                                                 it was a lot of political gain and feel good (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:23:53
                                                       Uhh, false. He talks about his relationship with Haspel - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:20:11
                                                            Again, I said I will watch it. I generally like Rogan's pod - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:23:44
                                                                 If Trump starts war with Iran, 75% of his base is gone, - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:28:03
                                                                      Nationalist, not isolationist (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:29:01
                                                                           True, I also shouldn't have said in history...just the last - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:33:27
                                                                 that's a massive and utterly unfounded jump you're making - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:25:33
                                                                      I made no comments about Trump's intentions because - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:27:31
                                                                           what's this sentence mean then? - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:28:27
                                                                                Prediction. - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:29:46
                                                                                     uh....based on??? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:30:38
                                                                                          Based on Trump's National Security Adviser saying it is?? - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:33:48
                                                                                          Trump sucks and I hate him--Bluesky(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 14:31:26
                                                                                               No, because, as I've said in this thread - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:35:51
                                                                                                    As does the whole civilized ****ing world and has for nearly - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 14:39:55
                                                                                                         And we're to thank for the mess to begin with for 40+ - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:40:53
                                                                                                              I guess you are only intolerant of the crazy religious here - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 14:46:39
                                                                                                                   He would certainly be a disgraced jew if he lived in Israel(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:53:20
                                                                                                                        Hardly, I've been offered to go on birthright several times - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:56:36
                                                                                                                             Israeli's love Trump for this. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 15:03:02
                                                                                                                                  Well they want to nuke Iran themselves - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:05:09
                                                                                                                   I am? - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:50:53
                                                                                                                        Then you are all for a new deal that demands and - hefeweizen MU - 5/10 15:16:18
                                                                                                                             My point is I believe that is not the end goal for the - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 15:21:57
                                                                                                                                  I think the moon is made of bleu cheese! weeee! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:28:39
                                        Watch the podcast. The "deal" was not stopping Iran - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:14:37
                                             I'll watch it this evening, it's bookmarked. - MrBlueSky MU - 5/10 14:17:54
                                                  You not knowing what the US end game or plan is isn't - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:20:24
                                                  They open up at the beginning, then move directly to 31:40 - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:18:27
          Per this guy, we were never even allowed to inspect very - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 13:56:07
               that's in the agreement, correct (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:01:48
               It was my understanding that the IAEA was able to inspect - Badird MU - 5/10 13:58:26
                    not true (nm) - Sal KC - 5/10 14:15:57
                    True - tgr MU - 5/10 14:09:23
                         False - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:16:57
                         Lol so 24 days after the deal? (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:11:23
                              RE: Lol so 24 days after the deal? (nm) - tgr MU - 5/10 14:15:28
                                   Start watching at 31:40 - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:19:15
                                        Read the actual document: - tgr MU - 5/10 14:34:42
                                             RE: Read the actual document: - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 15:31:04
                    false (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/10 14:01:59
                    He gives a specific military site, which he says is the - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:00:33
                         Both France and Germany have said they are going to try - tgr MU - 5/10 14:05:26
                              I guess they feel as though it's inadequate, it is better - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:06:44
                                   BTW, it's all available online. - TheWildcat STL - 5/10 14:07:17




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