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It is the right question

Posted on: January 3, 2017 at 16:37:27 CT
pickle MU
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Or, why should force be initiated against people wishing to cross an arbitrary, illegitimate line? Why should force be initiated against someone who wishes to enter a voluntary relationship with another?

He isn't being disingenuous.

Edited by pickle at 16:38:15 on 01/03/17
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Would any of you have a problem with Mexicans "illegally" - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 15:07:18
     so they won't use roads, law enforcement or mil protection, - BurgTiger MU - 1/3 18:21:16
          They would pay for them the same way you do. - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 19:19:32
     why the quotations ? - tigerfans3 MSSU - 1/3 17:08:22
          Quotations are needed as without them it makes assumption - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 17:12:16
     Then they wouldn't come here......case solved............nm - tigertix MU - 1/3 16:21:33
          Which leaves immigration problems as government created - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:42:08
     Of course - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/3 15:39:46
          Not analogous (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 16:20:21
          Private property has nothing to do with this. - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:02:40
               Has something to do with the homeowners on the border - GA Tiger MU - 1/3 16:28:33
                    Restricting the labor pool results in higher costs - pickle MU - 1/3 16:35:34
                    So artificially prop up wages by placing restrictions - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:33:29
                         the only artificial element here is adding extra labor from - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 18:33:58
               that's not the right question, matt, don't be dishonest. Th - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 16:08:00
                    It is the right question - pickle MU - 1/3 16:37:27
                         Oh, we changed the context to something Not involving a - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 18:35:02
                              it wasn't disingenuous - pickle MU - 1/3 18:48:02
                         RE: It is the right question - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:43:18
                              The NDAA says the government can detain you without - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:47:28
                                   RE: The NDAA says the government can detain you without - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:49:14
                                        It is sad people allow without question others thousands of - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:52:02
                                             RE: It is sad people allow without question others thousands of - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:58:50
                                                  Horse**** (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 17:16:48
                                                       RE: Horse**** (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:20:29
                                                            You have no duty, no obligations put upon you - pickle MU - 1/3 17:36:32
                                                                 RE: You have no duty, no obligations put upon you - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:37:47
                                                            It won't sorry. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 17:31:27
                                                                 RE: It won't sorry. (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:34:24
                                                                      I did. And not for the Dem-GOP status quo.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 17:38:08
                                                                           RE: I did. And not for the Dem-GOP status quo.(nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:39:48
                                                                      It's fact, not opinion (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 17:37:36
                                                  So government has free reign to do whatever they want and - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 17:01:08
                                                       RE: So government has free reign to do whatever they want and - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:05:37
                                                            Our current government is so far removed from the founding - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 17:13:19
                                                                 RE: Our current government is so far removed from the founding - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:18:14
                                                                      Government is illegitimate and immoral - pickle MU - 1/3 17:34:44
                                                                           RE: Government is illegitimate and immoral - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:40:15
                    What great ideas - meatiger MU - 1/3 16:19:45
                    People live on the streets now. Working off the books is - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:14:53
               RE: Private property has nothing to do with this. - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:05:36
                    So is it just because a law says so? If free handouts - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:10:52
                         why do people need to come here illegally to find work, - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 16:13:25
                              Eliminate welfare and people would not come here - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:18:24
                                   RE: Eliminate welfare and people would not come here - sarasotatiger MU - 1/3 20:25:59
                         RE: So is it just because a law says so? If free handouts - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:11:46
                              That is a B.S. argument. Laws don't go away just because a - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:16:04
                                   RE: That is a B.S. argument. Laws don't go away just because a - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:29:47
     I love how the right goes after the social benefits - meatiger MU - 1/3 15:38:38
          RE: I love how the right goes after the social benefits - sarasotatiger MU - 1/3 18:18:36
          now THAT's a straw man - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 15:50:44
               Meatiger spends 60% of his home budget on charity but - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:58:44
          you love a lot of things. what do you think is the "biggest - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:45:29
               Well...defense - meatiger MU - 1/3 15:47:25
                    In the near future it could be interest payments on debt - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:01:44
                         right...so why are you spending time on illegal immigration - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 16:23:15
                              Why is coming here for employment illegal? Government - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:26:48
                                   false premise - not everyone is coming here for employment - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 18:36:37
                         Very true - meatiger MU - 1/3 16:15:40
                         just don't pay it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 16:08:50
                         RE: In the near future it could be interest payments on debt - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:03:32
                    when did entitlement spending stop being "discretionary" - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:53:36
                    RE: Well...defense - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 15:50:49
                    why are you isolating "discretionary"? It's ALL discreionar - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:50:26
                         RE: why are you isolating "discretionary"? It's ALL discreionar - meatiger MU - 1/3 16:00:03
                              good lord (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 16:08:30
                                   yeah - meatiger MU - 1/3 16:17:09
     RE: Would any of you have a problem with Mexicans "illegally" - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 15:36:08
          Why would their entry be illegal? What is the purpose - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 15:37:22
               jesus man, just let pickle do this - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 15:54:18
                    Mind your own business (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 17:38:29
               What is the purpose of the US restricting the number of - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:48:09
               RE: Why would their entry be illegal? What is the purpose - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 15:42:40
                    People coming here to work has no bearing on laws that - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:00:31
                         RE: People coming here to work has no bearing on laws that - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 16:09:43
                         matt, are all people coming here illegally now working? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 16:09:29
                         RE: People coming here to work has no bearing on laws that - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:08:58
                              As are "illegal" immigrants.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:19:33
                                   RE: As are "illegal" immigrants.(nm) - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:34:02
     can an "illegal" become legal by marriage to a citizen? - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/3 15:29:39
     No, i'm tired of them taking up all the roofing jobs - playhard NWMSU - 1/3 15:27:30
          Goats = no lawn, or pretty much anything below the reach - HandBanana MU - 1/3 15:29:23
               Thats why you get double duty sheep if you get my drift - JG A - 1/3 15:39:02
                    Ewwwwwwwwwww (nm) - HandBanana MU - 1/3 15:56:25
                         a ram or two also - JG A - 1/3 16:14:35
     how is that possible? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 15:26:22
          Who pays the tab now for the tens of millions of - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 15:31:01
               that's silliness - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 15:48:55
               the anchor baby law needs to go.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 1/3 15:36:46
                    Yes. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 15:37:51
     They should stay in Mexico or immigrate legally. nm. - MUTGR MU - 1/3 15:24:41
     I'd still have a problem with it.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 1/3 15:19:36
     That is impossible.... - Spanky KU - 1/3 15:18:04
          Don't forget the cost of having said baby at the taxpayer - HandBanana MU - 1/3 15:24:48
               295K babies were born to illegal immigrant parents in 2013 - Spanky KU - 1/3 15:55:17
                    RE: 295K babies were born to illegal immigrant parents in 2013 - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:40:22
     I wouldn't, if they cost us nothing but - GA Tiger MU - 1/3 15:12:52
          The drivers license one is ridiculous. No way these folks - HandBanana MU - 1/3 15:26:43
          "but healthcare for life-saving procedures" - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:19:49
     would you mind people sneaking into your home if they - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:12:26
          Not analogous (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 16:22:25
          My home is private property. I do not own all the land that - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 15:15:58
               RE: My home is private property. I do not own all the land that - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:47:02
                    Who says I have some responsibility? When did I agree to - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:48:55
                         RE: Who says I have some responsibility? When did I agree to - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:52:58
                              What kind of bull**** is this?(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:55:46
               Ok, I rent from you and you and I have a contract that you a - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:17:29
                    I can't recall the last time the military was used for - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 15:35:55
                         You didn't answer the question, you deflected. Who is talki - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:49:29
                              Don't ignore these people would be paying taxes on - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:05:24
                                   RE: Don't ignore these people would be paying taxes on - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 16:56:07
                                        That is an employer issue, not an "illegal" immigrant issue. - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 16:58:50
                                             RE: That is an employer issue, not an "illegal" immigrant issue. - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:03:54
                                                  Why are they "illegal"? What is the true purpose to restrict - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 17:15:00
                                                       RE: Why are they "illegal"? What is the true purpose to restrict - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:24:08
                                                            You keep parroting the nation of laws line. That does not - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 17:33:47
                                                                 RE: You keep parroting the nation of laws line. That does not - MOCO SON MU - 1/3 17:36:39
                                   on what income? many don't work and many work - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 16:14:48
     yes. why have immigration laws or policy at all if you - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:11:49
          But would you care about immigration if it didnt cost - TigerMatt MU - 1/3 15:17:01
               Yes. what is one constitutionally assigned responsibility o - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 15:18:26
     Come in legally, or don't come in. nm - hokie VT - 1/3 15:09:59




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