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Got it. Like the pro abortionists who personally don't like

Posted on: December 27, 2016 at 13:11:26 CT
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it but believe the right to do it exists.

Stepping away from those two issues, i believe it is possible to believe that a right exists while finding the action itself abhorrent.

I for one believe that there is a constitutional right to burn the american flag. Free speech. I would never do it, but the right exists, imo.

I believe one can agree there is a right, but disagree with the action that the right protects.
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Public Service Announcment - withdrawal of claim - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 12:40:20
     Apology accepted (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:14:53
     Sexist. Do you really believe that pickle believes that - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:08:47
     I am fairly certain that pickle has posed the issue more - ummmm MU - 12/27 12:59:17
          There have been a number of those cases in the news... - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:12:02
               Honestly, I wouldn't allow it on my private property - ummmm MU - 12/27 13:16:44
                    It's in the news fairly frequently, but would be far more - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:26:27
                         RE: It's in the news fairly frequently, but would be far more - ummmm MU - 12/27 13:30:56
                              RE: It's in the news fairly frequently, but would be far more - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:48:23
                                   Jesus ****ing christ (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 14:00:44
                                        The words of a coward, who won't engage in an honest - JeffB MU - 12/27 15:43:42
                                   RE: It's in the news fairly frequently, but would be far more - ummmm MU - 12/27 13:58:35
                                        RE: It's in the news fairly frequently, but would be far more - JeffB MU - 12/27 15:42:01
                                        It doesn't matter how many times you tell him this - pickle MU - 12/27 14:03:14
                                             A guy having sex with animals in front of your kids is no - JeffB MU - 12/27 15:48:10
                                        he wants MORAL PUNISHMENT - if the perp is on - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 14:02:21
                                             and you apparently favor a legal right to masturbate &/or - JeffB MU - 12/27 15:52:48
                              concur with this - now, you do understand that this is - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:38:52
                                   Do you believe someone masturbating in front of children - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:51:21
                    Never claimed it is an epidemic - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:18:42
                         "There have been a number of those cases in the news" - ummmm MU - 12/27 13:22:55
                    And of course, there is no public property - pickle MU - 12/27 13:18:30
                         Some, not all. - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:23:47
                              How about yourself? You say you are not an anarchist... - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:28:45
                                   Let's just say I understand pickle's position and rights and - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:32:13
                                        I understand his position. I just reject it. Why can't you - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:39:44
                                             you don't and never have understood my positions - pickle MU - 12/27 13:49:46
                                                  Of course I do, perhaps better than you understand your own - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:52:19
                                                       You don't and you never have, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:57:31
                                                            Repeating your lies will never make them come true. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:59:12
                                             you don't understand his position in the most basic of - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:43:53
                                                  Of course I understand his beliefs on public vs private - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:53:40
                                                       You don't understand them (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:57:10
                                                            Yes I do, you just can't understand how someone can - JeffB MU - 12/27 18:14:57
                                                  Most importantly - pickle MU - 12/27 13:50:32
                                                       You don't recognize your own false premise(s) and - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:55:15
                                                            Jeff, that you can't even accurately state my beliefs - pickle MU - 12/27 13:58:40
                                                                 Sure, I can state your basic beliefs, despite the fact that - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:52:38
                    precisely (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:17:18
               You will always - ALWAYS - be ignorant of rights (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:16:20
                    I hope and pray that you won't ALWAYS be a hypocrite. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:29:32
               yeah, because masturbating in a porn theater is so - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:14:07
                    But you, pickle, et al don't believe that the legal right to - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:17:22
                         Goddamn (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:21:32
                              The 'answer' of a coward too afraid to answer questions - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:30:51
                                   I don't discuss topics with you - pickle MU - 12/27 13:42:39
                                        You are so deluded and full of yourself, despite repeatedly - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:58:18
                                             Now that is irony (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 14:17:15
                                                  No, but your reply certainly was. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/27 17:52:50
                         I think it was wrong that there was a taxpayer funded school - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:19:37
                              There would be no sidewalks in Anarchia? What if that - JeffB MU - 12/27 13:37:39
                                   Here's some advice: - pickle MU - 12/27 13:44:56
                                        Irony. You need to take your own advice, pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/27 17:52:14
                              bingo! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:28:19
                    Lol - pickle MU - 12/27 13:17:19
          And I will post again - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:01:05
               The phallacy of pickle's argument is I would be... - Salty Dog MU - 12/27 13:07:22
                    so what would be different from today? (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:13:16
               Your link to pickle says pretty much what I've stated - ummmm MU - 12/27 13:03:26
                    Not affirmatively supporting a right to public masturbation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:10:04
                         You cut out the context he supplied in the rest of your - ummmm MU - 12/27 13:15:16
                              I never said anything about spearheading a movement - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:16:55
                                   I guess we have a different understanding of the words - ummmm MU - 12/27 13:17:48
                    it made him feel small (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:04:05
     I'm confused. You withdraw a claim that said he was fine - hokie VT - 12/27 12:54:56
          His position is that he is not fine with it but believes the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 12:57:31
               Got it. Like the pro abortionists who personally don't like - hokie VT - 12/27 13:11:26
                    Correct - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:18:06
                         I don't disagree. But if the pickle's right existed, and - hokie VT - 12/27 13:30:56
                              The right to burn a flag is a property right - pickle MU - 12/27 13:55:27
                              There is a reason there is no right to public masturbation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:33:08
                                   That's not how the Constitution works - pickle MU - 12/27 13:56:39
                                   the Constitution doesn't give you your rights (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:48:42
                                   Agree. And this is why we need trump, not fat hillary - hokie VT - 12/27 13:39:04
                                        Correct(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:41:39
                         So you support the right to masturbate in public - pickle MU - 12/27 13:25:00
                              I absolutely do not support the right to masturbate in - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:26:34
                                   You just said, "Correct" - pickle MU - 12/27 13:30:44
                                        There is a difference between a right and an action - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:36:02
                                             Yes, there is a difference. - pickle MU - 12/27 13:52:10
                                                  The sad part is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:57:42
                    well-stated, atta boy (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:13:43
                    exactly (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:12:02
               some people don't think guns are a good thing - ashtray UF - 12/27 12:59:48
                    And if you wish to equate gun rights with public - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:02:20
                         Guns fall under the 2ndAmendment...Which Amendment does... - Salty Dog MU - 12/27 13:10:13
                              You mean 2nd Clarification (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:15:27
                              government doesn't define rights - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:11:31
     Overall his stances are MUCH more moral than yours - JG A - 12/27 12:47:10
          2(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 12:54:19
               You will need to learn more numbers now - JG A - 12/27 12:55:22
                    lol I'm going to document your crazy - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 12:57:20
                         Well that will keep you from - JG A - 12/27 13:09:02
                              lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 13:09:40
     you confuse having a right to do something with having - ashtray UF - 12/27 12:43:44
          To be clear, am am saying anyone who claims there - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 12:46:55
               LOL you could only wish to have such a level of morality - JG A - 12/27 12:47:58
                    1(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 12:54:10
               because you don't understand rights (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 12:47:21
                    I understand pickle believes there is a right to masturbate - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 12:49:15
                         What word games, 4Tigs? Be specific (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:25:53
                         what's common sense to some is apparently way over your - ashtray UF - 12/27 12:53:09
                              4Tigs, JeffB, Spanky - cannot get their heads around - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:15:32
                                   I totally understand was is a right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:20:59
                                        you don't think you have a right to jack off? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:29:07
                                             Not in public(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:42:36
                                                  Why isn't it? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:53:29
                                                       It is morally degenerate behavior - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:58:58
                                                            That isn't an answer (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 16:45:21
                                                            is plugging someone in the ass "morally degenerate... - ashtray UF - 12/27 14:02:12
                                                                 Doing so in public, yes(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 14:03:32
                                                                      what about in private? (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 14:16:11
                                                                           They can do what they want(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 14:54:33
                                                                                so do you want? (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 15:02:18
                                                                                     Do I want? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:22:02
                                        Of course it's a right - pickle MU - 12/27 13:26:53
                                        It isn't. You continue to think about "public" property - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:25:25
                              You can try and drive a wedge betweem them - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 12:56:10
                                   I know what you are saying - ashtray UF - 12/27 12:56:52
                                        And I am saying that anyone who believes there is a right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 12:59:04
                                             and anyone that believes there is a right to wave a flag or - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:01:08
                                                  And if you wish to equate waving a flag with public - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:03:02
                                                       What is the difference? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 13:27:38
                                                       it's not much different - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:03:43
                                                            And I believe you feel that way about expressing each - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:12:00
                                                                 yes, I cringe when I see someone waving a flag in public - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:12:32
                                                                      ditto (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:16:22
                                                                      And you feel that is the same as public masturbation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:15:39
                                                                           probably worse than public masturbation (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:20:39
                                                                                certainly more dangerous in the aggregate. you have to - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 13:22:57
                                                                                And I am glad you are on record as such - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 13:21:41
                                                                                     I think it says more about you - ashtray UF - 12/27 13:43:55
                                                                                          govt/states/religious leaders have raped, murdered, imprison - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 14:14:53
                                                                                               well, it does have a history of causing blindness (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 14:16:49




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