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No, it didn't work. And that's how we got here

Posted on: August 5, 2016 at 11:37:32 CT
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First of all, Quin was a BIG hire that we could never pull off now. Norm Stewart made the Quin hire possible, and Quin could recruit big time talent (at least initially).

MA came in and built a roster similar to how KA is doing it. Denmon was a Missouri kid. He also used his personal connections to land some big time players, and picked up some good JUCO players. But instead of translating his success into stable recruiting, he got lazy and started shooting for the stars, leaving us with nothing after his seniors departed.

Haith did nothing, period. He had success with MA's team, and then proceeded to do nothing on the recruiting front. Suitcase didn't leave him anything after that first team however. So Haith was really the first to start recruiting anywhere and everywhere out of desperation.

In Haith's last season, the wheels came off the cart. Clarkson and Brown were able to get some wins, but the team looked and played terrible. They did not even resemble a team on the court. The roster was made up of journeymen, only Rosburg having Missouri roots.

This is what KA walked into. He's tried to grab some top talent, but time has caught up with us. Mizzou doesn't have the program history to back up a strong sales pitch to a top recruit. We have to start winning again, and stabilizing the roster is the starting point to that.
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Criterion for keeping coaching staff after this season - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 10:40:47
     Stability Shamility, we need to win. - sharpwp UNC - 8/5 17:40:07
     Continued improvement - Mr. Orange SU - 8/5 16:41:31
     24 wins, top 5 in SEC, 9 seed or higher in the NCAA tourney(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/5 13:31:43
          Totally realistic, and Haith should get all the credit if it - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 13:48:29
               Realistic? Its entirely unrealistic, which is why its silly - FIJItiger MU - 8/5 13:51:12
                    "normal criteria" = completely disregard reality - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 13:54:34
                         That is fiction. - sharpwp UNC - 8/5 17:38:26
                              Actually, that's the same way - haeffb MU - 8/6 09:07:36
     .500 in conference, 18-20 wins overall. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/5 12:29:25
          18-20 wins with this group is stretch....... - tawtam1 ARK - 8/5 13:23:11
               I'm a little more optimistic, but yes, that is how you build - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 13:51:11
     Top 100 in KP, minimal attrition, finish .500 or better - HissingPrigs77 MU - 8/5 12:01:31
     Top 100 in KenPom - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/5 11:25:14
          I'd be ok with that for next season. There are just too many - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:31:05
               You're right. None of us should expect that. What we should - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/5 12:32:34
     Roster stability - o'lineydisciple MU - 8/5 11:15:37
     There is none. - catbirdseat MU - 8/5 11:03:41
          every scholarship player had multiple d1 offers i think(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 8/5 11:05:48
               This argument is pretty tired. - Evenflow MU - 8/5 11:06:39
                    It's not an argument. It's accurate information. - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:09:05
                         What about Teki, Gant, Isabell, Wright, Allen? - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/5 12:35:08
                    it isn't an argument. the players play d1 and had non - ajpe53 MU - 8/5 11:09:03
                         I'm not arguing they're D2 players. - Evenflow MU - 8/5 11:27:35
     This is not some sort of Dream Team roster. - Evenflow MU - 8/5 10:53:50
          No, its a solid, well-balanced college roster. - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:07:57
               I don't care who is coaching at MO... - tawtam1 ARK - 8/5 13:27:43
                    This is what I try to explain to these haters every day - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 14:00:55
                         best post I have read in some time. - tawtam1 ARK - 8/5 15:49:12
               Except that it has worked - o'lineydisciple MU - 8/5 11:23:39
                    No, it didn't work. And that's how we got here - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:37:32
     "there isn't enough playing time to go around" - 90Tiger MU - 8/5 10:45:54
          Yawn(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 8/5 10:52:28
     at least .500 and a post season bid. even then i wouldn't - ajpe53 MU - 8/5 10:45:05
          Not even close. Those are the criteria for 2017-18 - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 10:47:51
               That's a tired excuse. It's his fault that our roster is in - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/5 12:31:55
               The fact that - o'lineydisciple MU - 8/5 11:25:54
                    He didn't really screw up his first two seasons - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:43:49
                         I'm not sure how to respond to that - o'lineydisciple MU - 8/5 13:45:18
                         Your last statement has zero evidence.(nm) - bearcatiger KC - 8/5 13:41:29
                         They won one more game than the year before with a worse - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:49:13
                              Actually, they were statistically better at nearly every - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:54:45
               i don't expect it either but you can't have 3 straight - ajpe53 MU - 8/5 10:48:56
                    He didn't create the situation with Fuller's recruits - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:02:56
                         everyone of the players that left last year was a recruit - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:08:26
                              Gay. Let's get hyper-technical about it, why don't we??? - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:11:45
                                   Haith never was in on Isabell or Allen. He also had to - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:15:11
                              Not Wright (initially) (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/5 11:11:14
                                   he went and recruited him after he decommitted(nm) - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:17:01
                              Not Rosburg (but he doesn't really count) (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/5 11:10:33
                              Not Clark (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/5 11:10:01
                              Not Gant (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/5 11:09:39
                                   he signed Gant. Clark is a Haith recruit. I forgot about him - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:10:53
                                        No he didn't, Gant signed with Haith (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/5 11:11:35
                                             who was the coach who introduced these players? - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:14:01
                                                  You're reaching and it shows your lack of objectivity - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:25:09
                                                       I dont like the job he has done at Mizzou. But stop - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:47:56
                                                            No one likes the results. But you're smart enough to - sprintcar STL - 8/5 11:51:37
                                                                 he recruited Allen and Isabell who had no recruiting ties - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 11:53:45
                                                                      But he did that in how many weeks? He was under the guy to - sprintcar STL - 8/5 12:02:35
                                                                           And they're still available now I think - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 13:17:27
                                                                                Isaball and Wright have already found teams. Gant - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 13:27:22
                                                                      Sure. But those were last minute pickups - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 11:57:20
                                                                           Payne and Woods were his recruits as well. - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 12:02:58
     thank you Mrs Anderson for that brilliant piece(nm) - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 10:42:07
          Lol. Pretty funny. You must be Roseanne Barr. - MUIntensity USA - 8/5 10:44:55
               we have already seen 2 years of the failed experiment - NWMizzouFan MU - 8/5 10:48:29




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