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Nothing specific to the defense of Ukraine

Posted on: August 24, 2025 at 11:44:47 CT

haeffb MU

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beyond respecting its sovereignty and borders, assurances against the threat or use of force, weapons or economic coercion.

But I still see a moral obligation to do whatever possible to hold the other signatories to their commitments.

Please explain why this message is being reported.

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Ukrainian recruit ready for combat - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/24 07:08:23

haeff, fiji, M and GAT are ready to go - to stop unfairness - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 07:10:09

Only thing I fight today are the idiots on TB.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 8/24 09:22:12

And yet you advocate for nuking Russia. nm. - MUTGR MU - 8/24 11:48:09

By whom, under what conditions, etc.? - GA Tiger MU - 8/24 12:16:38

You tell me what you mean.... - MUTGR MU - 8/24 14:00:24

90edit. You and FMB don’t understand - haeffb MU - 8/24 08:13:51

He nails you below now go join up...........nm - tigertix MU - 8/24 09:00:16

he's gaslighting and he's trolling (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:06:50

Once again, you brought my name into a new thread. - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:09:06

not me, i've stated my position clearly and I'm prepared - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:29:33

This seems pretty clear - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:34:18

Clear that you didn't take an option or provide reasons - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:59:17

I’d prefer the latter, but expect the former. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 10:05:13

so my statement about what I've heard from - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 10:08:26

No, it was wrong in several respects. - haeffb MU - 8/24 10:17:08

all of these are self-contradictory (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 10:34:45

Sigh. No, they are not. - haeffb MU - 8/24 10:50:55

I haven't read this whole thread but why - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 11:12:17

Here’s a brief explainer - haeffb MU - 8/24 11:25:23

what were the specific security assurances from the US?(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 11:30:37

Nothing specific to the defense of Ukraine - haeffb MU - 8/24 11:44:47

that's very different than "..whatever possible to - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 12:00:16

That’s fine. I don’t demand - haeffb MU - 8/24 12:21:19

you love talking around things and not facing the practical - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 12:48:01

Bad analogy, ho. The US didn't promise to protect Ukraine - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 12:46:38

Fair enough. I’d still feel an obligation. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 12:54:47

and send your family over to kill his? - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 13:09:00

I guess I’d just sit here and feel sad. - haeffb MU - 8/24 13:25:30

it would be better if you said what you mean - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 13:51:24

He knows he feels very warm about the idea that Russia - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 12:12:06

Because when the USSR dissolved in 1991 - haeffb MU - 8/24 11:21:17

RE: Because when the USSR dissolved in 1991 - sarasotatiger MU - 8/24 12:34:40

The agreement didn’t say - haeffb MU - 8/24 12:47:17

What I hear from you: "Putin is in the wrong and the US is - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:28:40

90edit. What you heard from me: "Putin is in the wrong” - haeffb MU - 8/24 08:32:41

what does this post imply then - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:37:45

It simply answered your question. - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:01:53

RE: 90edit. What you heard from me: "Putin is in the wrong” - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:37:06

I don’t feel a need to go around agreeing with everything. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:05:16

whatever. I consider you a troll at this point (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:06:26

Glad to be welcomed as a member of your club. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:29:43

this isn't trolling - trolling is what you've done - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:32:38

This is a textbook example of trolling - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:44:24

astonishing (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:35:22

RE:Can haeff, fiji, M, GAT: Or any other Ukrainian speakers - BH O'bonga MU - 8/24 07:30:38

We must back Ukraine at all expense and until Putin - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 07:31:47

Ukraine's problem isn't $$$, it's lack of soldiers. - RHAYWORTH MU - 8/24 08:39:15

Don’t forget Ferg. He’s ready to fight Hungary too(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/24 07:21:14

oh yeah, because of an AUTHORITARIAN POPULIST! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 07:29:11

RE: oh yeah, because of an AUTHORITARIAN POPULIST! (nm) - BH O'bonga MU - 8/24 07:32:10